posted on August 13, 2005 05:23:01 PM new
Bashing.
I haven't seen anyone bashing this Pirro, just facts reported about her "situation".
Bashing...you think bashings bad?
How about weakening national security, and endangering American lives, by committing an act of treason and outing a CIA operative because you don't like the news her husband brings you?????
posted on August 13, 2005 07:33:56 PM new
::fenix - The dems started SMEARING Pirro within 24 hours of her announcement. NOT the right...not Fox news...::
Were you watching to know? It's not like this was the first time it's been discussed Linda. I just mentioned it as this morning because it about an hour before I saw your post.
::HILLARY'S supporters started SMEARING Pirro....to put her on the defensive ....right out of the gate.::
I'm sorry I should have gone into more detail. Part of the reason they said that her chances were slim to none were because of her husband and his multiple controversies.
::GET IT???? The dems started it.::
I'm sorry, did I unknowningly to regress to a ten year old that you feel the need to address me as one?
::And on being a strong candidate....we'll see. I just put an article on here so others could read what Morris SAID MC ALLIFFE had said about the possibility of hillary QUITTING.::
Were? I saw a mention of a mention to someone else about a possibility. You'll have to excuse me if I put absolutely no credence into a mention of a mention that candidate that is a clear leader in polls might drop out of an as yet unyet announced campaign run because of funding?!?! Hillary...a funding problem? Yeah ... ok... like I said, you really seem to grasping at some thin straws on this Linda.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 13, 2005 08:16:20 PM new
I understand fenix....dems here lately don't even believe things that their own party is saying. To me it shows desperation.
McAlliffe was the one reported to have said hillary wouldn't waste the funds it would take to beat Pirro. Not a republican...not fox news....McAlliffe.
And read the NYT when they first mentioned Pirro....the liberals there couldn't wait to start smearing Pirro and blaming acting like her husband's actions were her own. Like hillary hasn't had/doesn't STILL have problems with her OWN husband....who broke US law and lost his 'right' to practice law.
But you won't find the NYT rehashing all the impeachment and lying under oath that b. clinton did....no just Pirro's husband.
Imo, whether you wish to believe it or not....the clinton supporters in the MSM were right on the spot trying to discredit Ms. Pirro...in order to favor hillary.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 13, 2005 08:24:40 PM new
OK - found your link...
"If [Pirro] can raise $3 million or $4 million or $5 million this month and next month and have a strong media buy in upstate New York and close that gap," he told "Hannity & Colmes" - "and Bill and Hillary are looking at polls that show [they're only] 7 or 8 points ahead of Jeanine - and they really are looking at Hillary being under 50 [percent], I bet you that Hillary withdraws from this race."
Of course the problem is that Pirro is trailing by 22%, not to mention that there is a whole lot is ifs ended with a personal opinion given by someone that does not like the Clintons.
BTW - It was on FOX that I found out that on top of everything else, Pirros husband is suspected of leaking information from his wifes office to the mob and it was Bill O'Reilly who brought up in the husbands issues as a problem in an interview segment on his show.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 13, 2005 08:29:29 PM new
You Linda - I just have a very hard time taking you seriously in this little fit of moral indignation you are having here given the long and iullustrious history of Hillary bashing that has been done by conservatives on this board. It just screams hypocracy.
And BTW - Mcauliffe has not said anything directly. Morris claims that he said that but I thought you don't believe in heresay.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 13, 2005 08:41:36 PM new
I'm an chuckling at your....'on fox news they said another bad thing her husband did'.
Where are all these strong democratic women who were SO determined to make everyone see that hillary and bill were two different people. Not supposed to blame the actions of one on the other...after all they're independent people.' lol But boy let it be a strong contender to old hillary and everything about Pirro's husband will be brought up as if SHE had done those things.
Most all these issue have ALREADY been used to smear her and keep her from getting her present job. Didn't work then....people will see this as a repeat of how the dems tried to discredit President Bush's military service in this last election. Just as they did when he was running for governor of TX.
It's all the democrats have.....
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The beginning of that same article you posted part of is:
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McAuliffe: Hillary May Drop Out
Former Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe is reportedly predicting that presumed 2008 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will drop out of her 2006 Senate re-election race if a challenger like Jeanine Pirro forces her to spend campaign cash earmarked for her presidential race.
"I had a conversation with Terry McAuliffe during the Republican convention," former top Clinton campaign adviser Dick Morris told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Wednesday night.
"And I said, 'Do you think Hillary runs for re-election to the Senate if she has a tough race?'"
According to Morris, McAuliffe replied, "No, why should she squander $30 million getting re-elected to a job she doesn't want?"
Morris was reacting to the first statewide poll taken since Mrs. Pirro announced her candidacy, which shows support for Mrs. Clinton plummeting by 14 percent.
A Marist College survey released Wednesday showed 50 percent of New Yorkers backing Mrs. Clinton over Pirro - a 14-point drop since Marist polled the two candidates in April.
The poll also shows that most New Yorkers do not want Hillary to run for president. Morris says Pirro will make that a central issue of her campaign.
Already Pirro has asked Hillary to take a pledge to New York voters that she won't use her re-election to the Senate as a steppingstone for a presidential run.
Morris said the key to defeating Hillary is for the telegenic Republican to raise early money.
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And fenix - Certainly you realize as we all do that there's plenty of time between now, when Pirro's campaign is just beginning, and Nov. of 2006. We'll see how the poll numbers go in a few months...when Pirro's campaign really gets into swing.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 13, 2005 08:50:57 PM new
OK - now lets put that statement into context...
"I had a conversation with Terry McAuliffe during the Republican convention," former top Clinton campaign adviser Dick Morris told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Wednesday night.
"And I said, 'Do you think Hillary runs for re-election to the Senate if she has a tough race?'"
According to Morris, McAuliffe replied, "No, why should she squander $30 million getting re-elected to a job she doesn't want?"
So in other words, this comment was an off the cuff statement made nearly a year ago in a conversation with a hypothetical and only Dick Morris who has sworn to do everything in his power to defeat her could try to relate that statement to a actual realistic possibility in a campaign where she is 22 points ahead. OK, wait, let me correct myself.. only Dick Morris and yourself could do that.
And BTW - my comment about the other accusations against her husband have nothing to do about her Lindaa, and I think you know that. The reason I made that statement was that it was thru a CONSERVATIVE news source that this was brought up.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 13, 2005 08:53 PM ]
posted on August 13, 2005 09:16:57 PM new
fenix - You appear to want to focus on Pirro's poll numbers NOW....when she's barely gotten her campaign going. I'm saying she needs some time to 'prove' if she's going to be the 'threat' to hillary some think/hope she might.
lol at your Dick Morris statement. Like he wasn't the best thing that ever happened to bill's election and re-election campaign's. He was clinton's 'karl rove'. And yes, agreed he doesn't care for either one of the clintons now....he saw how loyal they were to him [read not at all].
But I've listened to him since Bush was elected...and he calls it when he thinks the republican are headed in the wrong direction and when we thinks the dems are.
So yes, I'd listen more closely to what he stated McAliffe said....than just any ol policial agent/left or right speaking about anything. Morris is still politically well connected....he's much closer to the 'sources' than most political pundits are, imo.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 13, 2005 10:05:03 PM new
Linda - I'm not focusing on the polls numbers - I'm responding to YOUR post regarding the poll numbers and I am pointing out how the poll numbers do not fit into the scenario that DICK MORRIS gives. If you do not want to discuss poll number, do not post links to stories that are about them.
::lol at your Dick Morris statement.::
He openly admitted it during the Hannity & Colmes interview that NewsMax has quoted twice. Could it be ... dare I say it... biase.. that they forgot to include that part?
I know I don't usually do this but please bear with me... this was just to amusing to pass up, plus it gives a bit more info/quotes from the interview....
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Only on FOX News would a Democrat's double-digit lead in the polls be painted as a political problem. But that's exactly what Dick Morris, with the very eager and willing Sean Hannity, tried to do last night (8/10/04) on Hannity & Colmes. Alan Colmes could barely keep a straight face.
Colmes opened the segment with guest Dick Morris by announcing the statistics of a new Marist Poll showing Hillary Clinton ahead of her just-announced rival, Jeanine Pirro, 50% to 28% respectively.
Morris, oozing enthusiasm, asked Colmes, "Did you see that poll?" as if it was the best news ever. Colmes looked like he was trying not to crack up as Morris explained why that showed weakness for Hillary. The way he explained it, Pirro's announcement a few days ago that she'll be running for Clinton's senate seat caused a 13-point decline "not to go to Pirro but to switch to undecided." Morris went on to say that "Hillary's problem" (notice that Clinton is "Hillary" but Pirro is "Pirro." is that New Yorkers don't want her to "walk out on them" by running for president. "The stronger Hillary is, the weaker she is. The more she seems like a likely presidential winner, the more difficult the senate race becomes in New York. It's perfect."
It was hard to believe that Morris could be serious about such a wacky theory but he was.
Colmes, however, obviously couldn't take it seriously and looked as though he was trying to keep from laughing. Noting that Morris has made his enmity toward Hillary clear and that he'd "do anything" to make her lose, Colmes asked, "Can you separate your emotional desire and involvement here from actually a cold-hearted analysis of the situation?"
Morris, laughing, said, "Yeah, I sure can. I've been doing it my whole life." (Comment: Are there a lot of former clients he hates that he goes on TV to analyze "cold-heartedly?" I doubt it.)
Morris, still grinning, said, "If Pirro comes on and says 'Look, I'm pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-affirmative action, anti-crime, tough on terror. The only difference is that I want to be senator and I'll give it my full time...'"
Colmes interrupted to say that Pirro had to have "a bigger argument" than the fact that Hillary won't serve six years.
Morris insisted she didn't, that "All she has to do is to say 'I'm enough like Hillary and my full-time is better than her part-time.'"
Hannity took his turn then and told Morris he was "right on" about the 13 points. Hannity added that "56% of people don't even know who Jeanine is yet - which helps her - which is why she's only at 28% right now." (Comment: But it's a safe bet that FNC will do their part in getting her name in front of the public by having Pirro on the air quite a bit between now and November.)
Furthermore, Hannity claimed, nearly 40% of the state's voters think Hillary should pledge to serve the full term and only 35% want her to run for president. Exuberantly, Hannity said, "This is not good for Hillary!"
Morris enthusiastically agreed and got in another dig. "The wonderful thing about it is that if the accusation is that Hillary is dishonest about billing records or futures market or that Hillary is a carpetbagger or whatever, those accusations don't work." Instead, Morris, claimed, the winning strategy is for Pirro to go after Clinton by saying she doesn't want to be senator, that she'll spend her whole term raising money, that "we're going to have to fly to Des Moines to see (Clinton)."
Morris giggled with aniticipation of victory as he continued, "If, in addition to that, (Pirro) says 'I'm pro-choice, I'm for affirmative action, I'm for gun control, the only difference is I'll be there and you won't.' How does Hillary oppose that?"
Comment: There were a few things Morris didn't mention that could be problems for Pirro: 1. As The New York Times reports today, "(In 2001) Ms. Pirro won (as Westchester District Attorney) by a slim margin against a relatively unknown Democratic opponent who attempted to link her to the business dealings of her husband, Albert J. Pirro, a lawyer and lobbyist, who served time in federal prison after being convicted of tax evasion the previous year. The narrowness of the victory was viewed as a setback for a woman who was thought to be a rising star in the New York Republican Party, prompting speculation that her political prospects outside Westchester had been hurt."
Even The NY Post, FNC's sister outlet, wrote that Clinton's presidential ambitions "are not necessarily disqualifying prospects" and that "(if) Pirro appears to be the best the Republicans have to offer against Hillary Clinton, (that) says much about the state of New York's GOP."
Even Hannity seemed dubious about Morris' strategy for Pirro's victory. Hannity said Morris is "the only person out here" who thinks Pirro can win.
"Oh, I do. I do. Look at this number. The rule of thumb always is that anyone who doesn't vote for you as undecided is voting against an incumbent. And she's down to 50!"
Hannity, becoming more enthusiastic, said that Pirro is a "Rudy Guiliani, except she's a woman!"
Morris said that the key for Pirro is to raise "early money" and do a "strong media buy" and "Bill and Hillary (my emphasis) are looking at polls that show them (only) 7 or 8 points ahead of Jeanine..."
Comment: That's a big assumption, including the part about dropping 15 points in the poll, but Morris wasn't done with his daydream.
"And (if) they really are looking at Hillary being under 50, I bet you that Hillary withdraws from this race."
Then Morris topped it all off with his piece de resistance. He claimed that Terry McAuliffe told him during the Republican convention that Hillary would not run for re-election to the senate if she had a tough race. According to Morris, McAuliffe told him "Why should she squander 30 million dollars getting re-elected to a job she doesn't want?"
Colmes, still looking like he was about to crack up, ended the segment by asking if Morris wanted a job as Pirro's advisor.
Morris claimed he didn't.
Too bad, because if he were to actually put his advice into action, I think it would be an even surer win for Clinton.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 14, 2005 06:00:53 AM new
Yeah...and... As I said, too amusing to pass up. Were you worried that I didn't know where I found it?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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is that New Yorkers don't want her to "walk out on them" by running for president. "The stronger Hillary is, the weaker she is. The more she seems like a likely presidential winner, the more difficult the senate race becomes in New York. It's perfect."