posted on August 17, 2003 03:04:21 AM new
Ioffer just installed some new features inc wonderful new chat boards fun ones
easy to use too
check it out
sales & hits are up they are really growing fast for a 1 year old.
posted on August 17, 2003 01:27:17 PM new
Well, i just imported a couple hundred of my eBay auctions over there, so I guess I'll find out how wll they do!
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posted on August 17, 2003 04:02:42 PM new
If it didn't sell don't you think you should edit the listing? It's after the second relist anyway. Seems like a good way to keep stale items of the site. I hear all of the buyers screaming "let's go to that site with same old stuff from a year ago".
posted on August 17, 2003 05:25:57 PM new
I just got an email from Ben at Ioffer.com about my previous post.
He says they'll look into the problem.
And of course if they straighten this all out, I'll be sure to post back here and let you know.
At least I can't fault them for their support!
p.s. Hey Ben- I was just shocked at how quickly I got mails right away asking about various offers. I was mentally picturing how many more insane offers there would be all next week. In retrospect, I guess that much traffic is probably a GOOD thing.
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posted on August 17, 2003 05:31:14 PM new
If your item isn't selling why not change the listing. A lazy seller doesn't have to worry about a thing, because he won't sell anything anyway. Go browse epier and bidville and then go back and browse again in three months. Same ole crap, probably been the same since they started.
posted on August 17, 2003 07:23:18 PM new
If your item isn't selling it probably isn't the auction item it's the dead auction site.
Replay, you'll still get quite a few insulting offers for 10% to 20% of your ioffer price and there is no 'block bidders feature' so you'll have to endure and ignore those emails. You'll also get many emails saying that the process is far too complicated for the newbies and asking instructions on the process.
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posted on August 17, 2003 08:55:44 PM new
hey "auctionace" just curious how much of an “ace” you actually are. What was your total dollar amount on your online sales last month. How many individual transactions did you have last month. I sell a few high margin items. Networking routers, switches and that sort of thing. I only sold about 10 items last month for about $7000 and made about $2000. Three of those sales came from iOffer the rest came from my own site. So what are your stats, be honest. You know what I do, I spend my time looking for quality merchandise to sell, it actually ends up being less work. In fact I spend a considerable amount of time cleaning and fixing the stuff I sell. I’ll drive an hour to look at some stuff that turns out to be a waste, it’s called the price of doing business. If it's too much trouble for you to change your listings maybe you shouldn't be selling. If you find an inquirey from a buyer insulting, you definately shouldn't be selling. I've had people call me up on the telephone and offer me $200 bucks for a $3000 switch, I’m happy as a pig in sh*t just to get the call. You find that insulting??? You must have customers falling on your lap. What are you upset you got offered $2 for your $10 item? Who told you that making money was going to be easy.
Yeah, I kind of expected SOME lowball offers. But the problem today was that it didn't even list an asking price-Even reaasonable bidders wouldn't know what to offer.
It's gotten to the point that I don't even do auctions on eBay anymore- I'm almost strictly fixed price nowadays. All I need is a bunch of cheapskate hagglers wanting to buy brand new games at used prices. Margins are low enough as it is without having to negotiate every sale!
It's the reason I never even tried at Bargainandhaggle.com. Just a seriously bad concept. I'm HOPING Ioffer will work out well.
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posted on August 17, 2003 10:24:14 PM new
You conveniently avoided the question. You call yourself an "ACE"?? Then flaunt it let the world know why you are such an authority on the topic. I've been buying and selling online for the last five years. I've been an internet user for eight years. I'm no cheerleader but I can tell when something better has come along. Ebay hasn’t gotten better it’s gotten worse!! I can bet that all of your sale, every single one of you who sell on ebay have seen your sell through rates drop. Wait till all the big companies buy the keywords, forget about sales “ACE”, how many views do you think your going to get then. They've jacked up their prices and given you worse service and you are so mesmerized you still sit here singing ebay ebay rah rah rah. You call me a cheerleader. Yeah, I’m a cheerleader?? It’s you who’s kneeling in front ebay with smudged lipstick wiping your face off. You think a business that raises fees and reduces service is going to stay on top forever? The fututre aint ebay “ACE” and it certainly isn't all of these garbage auction sites and I'm inlcuding amazon and yahoo. Go ahead give a potential customer hell because they want to save some money on shipping but run don’t walk to hand your money over to ebay.
posted on August 18, 2003 08:42:42 AM newIn the past two hours, I've gotten FIFTEEN email from people offering $5-$10 for items that COST me more than $20-$30 apiece
Hehe, sorry but that is funny. Ioffer seems like a flea market.
posted on August 18, 2003 11:57:27 AM new
Scout and others,
It was just a short time ago when the ACE aka bidsbids was spewing that he was getting rich off of ioffer. I had called him out to show what his real sales were and he also tap danced around avoiding the question. That is when I started the Blah Blah Blah crusade.
The ACE is all talk and no action.
posted on August 19, 2003 06:40:05 PM new
Seems just a few weeks ago some here said they hoped ioffer did not become a warehouse site the same endless relists over & over & over..
now they do something make sellers refresh after 120 days of free listing,change category,lower price,change to a buynow only,give free shipping,change keywords in title or description and some think it is a pain?? IT IS A SOLUTION..i think it is good for the site & will prevent those from just parking their unsellable stuff there,with free automatic relists for years..
as to figures,well i wonder about epier's figures,i never used auto relist there years ago when i listed there. I just got an ASK SELLER A QUESTION on an item from MAY 2001 ..is my listing inc in their figures as active?? i have not been there in years,and i could not answer the question without paying 25.00 fee for the privlege!! i never knew answering a question was a paid for feature at epier!!
If you had no offers you guys would be saying there is no traffic there!!!& you know that....remember many buyers are coming from auctions,they have no clue what to "bid"(there is no bidding,not an auction) use the message box to explain that,,many times they will say sorry for offering 3.00 on a 30.00 item but it was a starting point i did not know how it works sorry,,here is an offer for 27.50 & i hit ACCEPT & have a sale..
read the HOW TO SELL HOW TO BUY on home page,read the FAQ...very different..
HECK IT IS IOFFER RIGHT?? if you get a low offer just counter..or make all your items BUYNOW ONLY..DO YOU GET ANGRY WHEN SOMEONE BID AT EBAY & did not come to reserve?? do you get mad at ebay when someone asks you a question & then does not come back & buy no?? why this attitude..IT IS CALLED IOFFER..requires a bit of time & sales skill you can pick up some great buyers,,drive them to your store on multiple purchases,you ca even put a bundle together & send it to them!! WHAT SITE HAS THAT???
browse the want ads,,have the item? click list off the wantad,ioffer emails the customer for you many times you get a sale..unreal..
as far as high fvf...WITH A QUALITY CLEAN SITE,TONS OF FEATURES(buyer & seller alerts,ewanted want ads,snag a sale,recommend feature for ioffer putting you in the search engines,etc) free listing,,i would say it is a bargain..plus you can link to your website as long as you link back,,FREE STORE with shopping cart,IF YOU LIST 2 ITEMS.very little fraud,super support,,these guys are knocking themselves out to make a great site here & it is the best deal on the net..
you do need to do some things to be successful there,the days of LIST & SELL immediately without even making a profile page are gone..i have listed at ioffer & sold immediately thou..
1. make a profile page rich in keywords for the search engines
2.same with your store
3.in your listings put NOT AN AUCTION BUY NOW OR MAKE OFFERS use our store link above for the best deals(DID YOU SEE you only pay ONE FVF for the" total " not a fee on EACH ITEM...no matter how many items bundled,,no that shows me they are not greedy at ioffer
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4. if you sell lower priced items no prob..put in listing USE OUR STORE,WE COMBINE & SAVE YOU MONEY..there is a 9.99 (or 4.99 ) min purchase we combine shipping..save.
5.USE MRGRABBER IMPORT YOUR FEEDBACK,we have been asking for a clean site that does this for years..
look at the fees..don't put a buy now or accept offer of 5.00 but 4.99 & SAVE FEES..SEE??
whatever you want to be creative you can do it at ioffer...it makes selling fun again.this used to be ewanted for 2years the employees bought it & can now do all the great ideas they have..THEY ARE GROWING..in one year they have beat many small sites that have been around for years...give it a try..you will never want to go back to the OLD WAYS...
good luck ps if you don't have a profile,you don't put any info in your store,have no keywords,don't read up on how it works,or respond sarcastically to low offers & blow off your buyers..NO,, you won't be one of those that are selling & loving ioffer
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posted on August 19, 2003 08:01:57 PM new
hi nah people want their feedback and to go through ioffer most of the time..
no email addys,or any contact info is allowed on the site.says that right on the message box...the only way they could do that is ON THE NEGOTIATIONS message thru ioffer...i imagine some do it just like ebay but not much..
ANYWAY IOFFER IS NOT STUPID..you do not get the persons email when you ask a question like at ebay..no no no..only when THE SALE IS COMPLETED...see??
no you see MAKE AN OFFER as many have used mrgrabber mirroring thier ebay listings,,also many like the make offer format..some like the buy now only you have a choice..
why do all that to cheat ioffer out of a fvf?? not much of that i don't think..most are grateful to have a nice site & are working to support it..
anyone seeing this can report it too..REMEMBER ALL THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE RIGHT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LISTING FOR ALL TO SEE INC IOFFER STAFF..
not sure you realize this MANDATORY EDIT AFTER 120 DAYS is BRAND NEW..ioffer has been working on a mailer went out last nite,BRAND NEW BOARDS & A NEW LINKING FEATURE..nah..they are very honest..i am sure they will add the edit policy to the faq when time permits..
there is a suggestion box at bottom of every page why not use it..?
ps i STILL beleive most people are honest,i am not too cynical..5 years selling online not one bounced check from anyone only a few npb(selling collectibles there is less npb etc than those selling other things of course)
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posted on August 19, 2003 08:40:57 PM new
“Let's say you want to move into an apartment complex and you thouroghly check out it's policies and agree to a lease. Then the apartment manager tells you a bunch of stuff that wasn't on the contract. Stuff that is important and time consuming. What do you think of that apartment complex now? Do you recommend it to your friends?”
It’s funny that you bring this up as an analogy. As far as I know iOffer doesn’t have a listing charge. Secondly a lease is for a specified amount of time, there are no infinite leases. When you list an Item it gives you an option of 30 to 60 days then it allows you to relist. Any obligation that this company has towards you has been fulfilled. Even going further with your apartment lease example. I lived in a complex that had a 24hr laundry room, it wasn’t part of the lease it was an amenity. They had a few incindents of vandalism and break-ins and they changed the times to 6am to 10pm.
Not only are you lazy but from your analytical ability you don’t seem very bright either. I’m going to have to agree with stonecold and propose a new name for you perhaps ..hmmm let’s see what about AuctionDunce… Hey it fits… it’s actually kinda catchy. AuctionDunce it is
posted on August 19, 2003 09:35:18 PM new
Man you are a naive imbecile. Do you know how many companies a year shut down with no prior notice. Carnaby shut down they ran out of money. End of story. What did you want an advance notice sent out to you personally. If you get your head out of your a** you might see some light. It's amazing that with your lack of business sense you even try to sell.
posted on August 19, 2003 10:16:39 PM new
talk about kicking a gift horse in the teeth..
a beautiful clean site,tons of fun stuff,honest owners,and it is never good enough for some..
i appreciate ioffers ethics and their genius at adding state of the art features FREE...
they owe no one anything
i appreciate all their hard work they are not perfect?? who is
a year from now it will be fun to come back & read this thread..
ps at a RENT FREE APARTMENT in a beautiful complex,with a pool,gym,sat tv,rec room,jacuzzi & more you should be thankful not demanding
posted on August 20, 2003 10:55:47 AM new
One word of advise for several is dont judge a book by its cover. Like ace said many people were saying great things about carnaby and they pulled the plug with no warning. Gegy was another fine example. Bottom line is 3rd tier sites cannot generate enough money to stay in the black, and when they give up the site shuts up.
posted on August 20, 2003 12:52:57 PM new
Sometimes quality and niceness still aren't enough. Sometimes being better isn't good enough.
Sometimes your competition is just too big.
The trick is not to compete with eBay. The trick is to find a niche market or a different way of doing things.
I haven't had much time to fiddle with Ioffer other than what's already posted here, but plan to get into it more over the weekend. But as I can attest to from my experience earlier this week, they definitely do have some traffic!
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:12:05 PM new
Carnaby looked great in fact it looked exactly the same as ebay. Same yellow and front page structure, same central flash image. You might even think it was ebay. http://web.archive.org/web/20020606062630/http://www.carnaby.com/ This has got to be the dumbest strategy ever. Why would a buyer ever go to Carnaby, Bidchaser, epier, Bidville and even Yahoo and Amazon Auctions. Each one of these sites has attracted the fleeing sellers but not buyers in any huge droves. You cannot beat the leader by simply doing what the leader does. For buyer why go to another auction when there’s ebay.
I don’t use ebay because I don’t like what they’ve become, I certainly wouldn’t go to one of these third rate auction, hell I wouldn’t even use a second rate auction like yahoo. I don’t like the way ebay has ignored my needs as a paying customer. If I pay upfront there is a certain level of service I expect. My fees went up and my service went down. My only recourse as a consumer is not to use the service. I’ll continue building my own site and supplement it with ioffer. I have this same expectation from other companies who’s services I pay for, cell phone, dsl and even my browser and operating service. I no longer use any Microsoft products. I will not purchase my machines pre-loaded with windows or internet explorer, I am simply dis-satisfied with the level of service and innovation. I use linux and the opera browser. Try opera and you’ll find it is one of the most innovation products out there. If you want to blindly dump you money into the lap of a business that cares very little about you go ahead. I think the future for Microsoft is very bleak, the open-source software movement is moving very very quickly. I think an ioffer could emerge as an alternative to ebay.
At the very least go download opera and see what you think http://www.opera.com/
posted on August 21, 2003 03:53:54 AM new
tHE TRAFFIC is from the search engines from ioffer's magic with the keywords you need to inc in your profile and store.
also the recommend feature gets your link on many websites thus higher ranking in the search engines.
I have had 10,000+ hits on my profile since nov 1st at ioffer.
it does not matter if you are a new seller the traffic comes from the keywords from search engines the more items,with better words the more ya sell.
btw i was at CARNABY EARLY ON,they reniged on a contest then i beleive said they decided to give money to charity instead.Support was great at first,then i lost my best customer,she tried 2 weeks to register some bug stopped it,,they stopped even emailing her back..unreal this was early on,i left..(for what? 2 years the sellers just bought from each other,not like that at all at ioffer.
That site never had the traffic,features or steady growth of ioffer.
Ioffer is a different idea than ebay that is why they are doing so well.Their base of 1 million members made a huge difference.Very clean site diligent staff.
Ioffer seems to have cleared out the duplicate listings we talked about awhile back thier figures are true figures,they have updated,i checked.
they are only 40,000 items behind yahoo,in this economy for a site 1 year old this is awesome!
try to be positive for a change isn't this what we all wanted a great site like this??
PS WHY? are you so angry after 4 months of free listing you need to refresh the listing? what is the big deal,i add keywords,lower price whatever always on relist,do a few a day. it is a free site with great stuff they owe no one any explanation just odd no way to please some people,wasn't there a conversation "hope ioffer doesn't become a warehouse site with unlimited relists" A while back? so the problem is??
JUST A HEADS UP TO ANYONE still needing income from ebay, i would NOT RECOMMEND LINKING TO IOFFER OR ANY SITE LIKE IT FROM YOUR LISTINGS OR ABOUTME PAGE AT EBAY you may find yourself tarred & feathered.
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