posted on December 29, 2000 08:59:03 AM new
MRBucks-
I fully understand the "rules" (and can tie my shoes quite well, thank you.) I calculate my risks. I've never had my account restricted and don't suspect it would matter if it was restricted. I don't leave any money in it EVER. I also don't allow PayPal access to a checking account that contains any money. I also don't sell high-risk items.
The "rules" are ridiculous. Freezing an entire account over a tiny amount of money is a total joke. PayPal should freeze the transaction amount only... just like the professionals do.
PayPal considers every seller to be a scammer. And that's what will kill PayPal in the end. You can't treat your paying customers that badly and expect to stay in business.
posted on December 29, 2000 09:07:09 AM new
MRBucks.....Play by what rules? Paypal makes their own rules as the days go by. I played by all their rules and it got me nowhere. I can only hope that one day you log on to your account and find it "restricted" for no reason. Then you will know the real story behind these threads and the Paypal rules.
posted on December 29, 2000 11:59:11 AM new "PayPal considers every seller to be a scammer. And that's what will kill PayPal in the end. You can't treat your paying customers that badly and expect to stay in business."
If this is the case and how things will work its my feeling they dont need all the negtive words about them here do they.
If this company In the big plan is menet to fail it will fail with out anyone additiude about them if its wasn't ment to be it wont happen no matter what anyone says.
in Sept oct when all this the sky is falling stuff started over paypal charges they had 4 million users here we are three months later tons of additude about them has been shown and today they have over 5 million users and still growing.
In the words of Mrbucks
..."If you keep doing what you've been doing...
...you'll just keep getting what you've been getting"...
posted on December 29, 2000 12:13:59 PM new
[I]In the words of Mrbucks
..."If you keep doing what you've been doing...
...you'll just keep getting what you've been getting"...[/I]
Hardly the original words in MRBucks post, are they?
Perhaps yisgood's post in the following thread caused MRBucks to eat his original words?
dman
I'd like to see PayPal succeed. I'm one of the original 10,000 PayPal users. I used to post a lot of awfully nice things about PayPal on these boards.
But PayPal has some serious problems. And it's taking those problems out on honest users. If no one points out the negative aspects of this service, how can they be fixed?
posted on December 29, 2000 02:16:07 PM new
Yep vargas...
I have read that thread and will reserve comment until more facts, not suppositions, are in.
I guarantee one thing...When the PP slayers get through adding their spin to that thread, it will be so badly twisted that..well..???
posted on December 29, 2000 06:15:04 PM new"The problem with this thinking is that perfectly innocent people, who haven't scammed anyone, can have their entire accounts frozen by PayPal because the Post Office loses a $4.00 item. Or because some credit card thief decides to bid on their auction, wins, and uses a stolen credit card to fund the payment via PayPal"
Ah, but if they have a DC confirmation slip (in the first instance) or their account is verified (in the second instance), their account doesn't get frozen, does it???? (Except, perhaps, in the case of goodwillhunter, and we'll see what the facts of that situation are, as they're made available.) Whether PP is doing things the way the "professionals" do it or not is really irrelevant. They handle fraud allegations the way PP has elected to do so, and all of us know how that is. If any of us continue to use them without making sure we're covered under the seller protection (personally, if I kept any money in my account at all, $.35 would be cheap insurance to make sure some flake didn't get my whole account frozen), then we have no one to blame but ourselves, if our accounts end up frozen and we don't have the necessary documentation to get them unfrozen. If we don't like the way PayPal is doing things, we don't use them.
posted on December 29, 2000 07:36:43 PM new
I don't care about Paypal's terms. I signed off Paypal long ago, because they were obviously lying to us. Point blank company-line lies. Does anyone remember "no one will be forced to upgrade?" Yeah, until you get $500 dollars in your account. The truth is, everyone was forced to upgrade. They strung AW posters along for weeks with that one.
You may think that following Paypal's "rules de jour" will protect you. It won't. What I don't understand is why anyone would do business with a company that lies to its customers. Sheer numbers don't mean anything. I received hundreds of dollars in referrals from PP and never paid them a cent. But as soon as I realized they were coming on to these boards and lying to our faces, I dropped them like a hot potato.
Do you ever notice how a Paypal customer comes to these forums, complains that Paypal won't answer their emails, their account has been frozen for weeks, etc., and immediately Damon is there to handle the matter? Why is it that Damon has the magic touch to resolve these issues so quickly? Is it because he's the only one who knows how, or is it that Damon's job is damage control and keeping the complaints out of public forums? You draw your own conclusions. I have mine. Why wasn't Damon here to announce the recent reduction in Paypal's insurance policy?
Every negative post in these forums has the potential to cost Paypal huge sums of money. From what I've observed, unless a user posts a complaint here at AuctionWatch or another public board, Paypal will ignore them. Paypal will sweep it under the carpet with all the others.
There is a big discrepancy between Damon's actions and that of Paypal's customer support. It's no coincidence.
And let's be honest. If auction users didn't demand Paypal, sellers wouldn't use it. I, for one, won't be held hostage by Paypal. We all KNOW where Paypal is at. Other sellers are welcome to buckle under to Paypal's methods.
