taz8057
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:25:46 PM new
"once you file FVF, the buyer cannot leave feedback."
I like this idea! Why doesn't ebay do this. Then MTown's feedback can be protected if she leaves a neg. and NPB notice. Wow, then ebay could be a better place for the seller. Not that ebay would do that, but it is a great idea that I like.
-Trey
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taz8057
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:27:33 PM new
opps, did the submit twice....
[ edited by taz8057 on Jan 31, 2001 10:28 PM ]
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morgantown
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:27:56 PM new
I started this thread with the best intentions to help sellers. I don't claim to be perfect or KING. The advice is for consideration only.
Mtown
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tentwentytwo
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:28:56 PM new
Michele-
I do and say what I want to say here, you do your job. If you want to warn me that I'm violating TOS, go right ahead. If you want to suspend my posting privileges, hey, that's your prerogative also. You're not my mommy, I'm a little too old for that.
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loosecannon
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:29:07 PM new
We may all drop like flies sooner or later. We are not immune. Get that through your head. Most sellers that are not doing well either don't have savvy or are trying to sell the wrong merchandise.
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hardoutfit
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:31:03 PM new
MORGANTOWN Are you from West Virginia ?
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morgantown
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:32:03 PM new
Loosecanon: I have read and respected many of your posts.
My posts are for consideration only, that's all. Perhaps I should have a sig line. 
MTown
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morgantown
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:33:25 PM new
Hi HardOutfit!
No, I'm not from WV. I am a collector of fine Morgantown glass.
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reddeer
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:36:33 PM new
Wow, tough crowd here tonight.
I think Mtown posted some great tips in the initial post.
Sorry, I'm not touching the feedback issue, feedback is for kids.
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morgantown
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posted on January 31, 2001 10:43:44 PM new
Hi Reddeer!
I knew that the feedback thing would probably not be popular - and those opposing opinions have merit. I told it, like I live it, from a selfish financial necessary perspective; which is, subject to change at a later date!
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morgantown
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posted on January 31, 2001 11:02:14 PM new
I left out on of the most important factors. It is crucial to begin auctions low, let them be "real" auctions.
Jump UP & down, rise three feet off the floor, but retail is not fun. Bidders will pay more for the thrill of an auction!
Mtown
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quickdraw29
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posted on January 31, 2001 11:06:13 PM new
Not to be argumentive but you are assuming that all buyers have the same temperment, same personality, same wants and the same perogatives.
Not all buyers will take the time to weed through a complete description, and it may give them that extra second to change their mind about placing a bid.
Leaving negs has caused me to receive no more than a couple retalitories, and if I lose a couple bidders because of it it's probably someone that could be costly to please, so I wouldn't be upset losing their business.
I have done "as is" auctions on select items and they sell as soon as I list them so that hasn't been detrimental to me.
Your other suggestions are good. Thanks for sticking your neck out and offering some tips.
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thepriest
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posted on February 1, 2001 04:04:59 AM new
Hi Morgantown....thanks for the information.
I appreciate your insights.
Re: feedback - its individual case.
Thanks again...
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reamond
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posted on February 1, 2001 04:46:52 AM new
Morgantown is right. A seller gains nothing by leaving Neg FB on a buyer except revenge FB from the buyer.
Also, a seller will accept money from a buyer with neg fb. If a buyer has nothing but Negs, and he/she pays me, I'll accept their money. Negs on a buyer do not always dissuade a seller. I am interested in sales, not someone's FB.
Filing for a refund of FVF is the way to go. eBay, sooner or later will take care of the problem.
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cdnbooks
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posted on February 1, 2001 04:57:30 AM new
Morgantown
Great advice. Quality items, quality listings and quality service. And reputation. That's what it's all about.
All sellers should assess their results by looking at the prices they get against the prices others get for the same or similar items.
Since the items you sell and the categories you sell them in greatly affect the best approach, this is the true litmus test.
If you consistently sells items for more than your competitors then you must be doing something right.
Bill
[ edited by cdnbooks on Feb 1, 2001 04:59 AM ]
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deco100
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posted on February 1, 2001 05:11:06 AM new
Good tips, Morgantown. Ebay is great! The sellers and buyers are for the most part great.
It's those $%#$@^@ machines that keep beaking down and that crazy management!
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MrJim
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posted on February 1, 2001 05:29:10 AM new
Feedback is for the benefit of buyers. It allows them to judge the past performance of a seller, and factor that into their buying decision. The feedback system is not, and never was for sellers to decide who can and can not bid on their auctions. Therefore, if the system is to work, the seller's feedback rating should be as accurate as possible.
Seller A: Leaves neg's for all deadbeats. Has 1000 positive and 10 retaliatory negatives.
Seller B: Never leaves neg's for deadbeats. Has 1000 positive and no negatives.
Which feedback profile is a more accurate measure of the seller's performance ???
Ebay is not a community. It is business and in business you have competition. Leaving negative feedback for deadbeats only benefits your competition. You already know they are a deadbeat. Let the competition have them. After all, this "community" is the same people that email your bidders to try to steal your business, get your auctions cancelled by ratting on you, destroy bidder confidence by gouging them on shipping, and cause increases in fees by listing tons of garbage. And you want me to help them ? Fat Chance.
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jayadiaz
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posted on February 1, 2001 05:39:00 AM new
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I have repeatedly heard mention of 'listing garbage'. Now, I know it's not the kitchen garbage but I wonder if you all wouldn't mind stating what you consider "listing garbage".
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tomwiii
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posted on February 1, 2001 05:43:39 AM new
I agree 100% with morgantown! I will NEVER leave neg fb for deadbeats until eBay fixes the system! THEN I will feel obligated to the "community" & not before!
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MrJim
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posted on February 1, 2001 05:44:09 AM new
$.01 starting price, $5.99 shipping fee, 1000 quantity available, posted in 100 different categories that have nothing to do with the item. (as for the exact item, take your pick. there are 1,000's of them)
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MrJim
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posted on February 1, 2001 05:56:31 AM new
Anyway, to get back on track...
Suggestion #9:
For small quantities of duplicate items, list them individually in different (appropriate) categories rather than in the Dutch Auction format. When reviewing the bidding history you will see that many bidders were willing to pay more, but were given a lower price at the end. If the items are listed individually, you will most likely receive higher bids on some of them. You will also increase your exposure by listing in the multiple categories. Although your listing fees will increase with this approach, we have found that the higher selling prices more than make up for it. (it also allows you to add BIN to each item if you like)
The categories must be appropriate, or you will be wasting your money.
Ebay's policy: A seller can have up to 10 identical listings at one time. If the seller lists in more than one category, the categories must be relevant.
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cix
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posted on February 1, 2001 06:06:27 AM new
M-town,
When I first read the thread I thought you were completely full of it.
The feedback issue you mentioned got me extremely upset.
BUT, after thinking it through and reading what MrJim stated "Ebay is not a community. It is business and in business you have competition. Leaving negative feedback for deadbeats only benefits your competition. You already know they are a deadbeat. Let the competition have them."
I WILL NO LONGER LEAVE NEGS NEITHER FROM NOW ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Community ? HA !
M-town and MrJim,
You are right. I left negs for every single deadbeat I got and I have not had that many ret. negs, but since there are sellers doing what you do and not leaving negs where deserved, it makes my actions futile.
I still get deadbeats and leaving negs for deadbeats I deal with helps everyone else but me !!!!
These deadbeats I negged will never deal with me again (nor do I want them to), but by me leaving negs for them it helps others. So why help others if ebay doesn't even help me ???
It is like the old saying goes, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"
No more negs from me.
Thank you M-town for helping me see the light.
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toke
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posted on February 1, 2001 06:17:00 AM new
morgantown...
In my opinion, pictures are THE most important part of the ad. I was struck by your mention of under lighting for glass. How do you do it? Particularly, how do you manage to conceal the light itself in the image?
What a great idea...I do it at shows all the time...
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spuddy98
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posted on February 1, 2001 07:14:17 AM new
You are absolutely correct. I like to make my listing fit the window so the seller does not have to scroll. Add a link to your return policy if you feel it requires a long description. Pictures are important I have seen a lot of tiny pictures lately make them around 30-50k in jpg format. Now for my Rant: The sellers that are dropping are those selling JUNK for low margins. ebay has to be corrected and get back to what it was originally intended to sell. That is stuff that we find around our house or for those of us who have the time at live auctions and garage sales.. Now We also must understand that those that conduct Household sales know about ebay and have clearly driven prices up. I prefer live auctions-They are quite time consuming but yeild a lot of value. Avoid the auctions that are conducted to get the highest buck. For example we have a local auctioneer that does 'antique' auctions at his place. Go to the Estate auctions and stand in the rain for your best deals. Enjoy a hot dog and can of soda. Too many people are getting upset because they are trying to sell the junk they have $1 in for $2 and trying to make money on it. Sure they double their money but making $1 for a 20 minute transaction is not very profitable.
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lovepotions
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posted on February 1, 2001 09:23:57 AM new
I personally do look at the feedbacks of sellers. I read the first page only generaly.
If I see a seller with 500+ feedbacks and 20 negs am I going to dig though 25 pages of feedback to see if they are retalitory???
no
but the 20 negs retalitory or valid I wont invesitgate .....I remember seeing 20 negs.
On Ebay if a bidder gets a neg for being a dead beat a lot of time they won't even notice or care. They would have to go back to Ebay to even notice. Very few show back up to retialiate.
Unlike Yahoo where you get an email telling you who said what about you and a direct link to retailiate with.....
But I rarely leave negs on any auction site. I don't want to give petty jerks an invitation to retaliate. Because when someone looks at my feedback they aren't going to look at the stupidity of the person who left me a neg.
All they will see is the total of the negs.
http://www.lovepotions.net
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quickdraw29
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posted on February 1, 2001 10:05:07 AM new
MrJim, the feedbacks are for sellers too. Have you ever had a -1 bidder on your auctions? I have, and I canceled their bid. Have you ever had someone with a +10 feedback, then check the comments to also see 10 negatives? I have, and I canceled their bid too.
The problem with your comeptition scenerio about letting your competitors have the deadbeats is pretty moronic. So you're saying I should allow you to have all my deadbeats, without any warning? Can you explain how that benefits you and me?
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ahwahneeliz
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posted on February 1, 2001 10:07:02 AM new
I have a question for some of you. I'm a relative newbie. when I read discussions like this, or those discussions touting how great sales are, etc., I look up the seller on Ebay, by the handle used here and the email. About 8 times of of 10, those touting great sales are either not listed, or there is the same handle with either zero feedback, or zero auctions for the last 30 days. It seems like an odd coincidence. I know it's a bit off topic, but can someone explain this to me. Thanks
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vinniegambini
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posted on February 1, 2001 10:10:57 AM new
They are absolutely good. It all came down to the last 2 minutes and the 10 second sniper. Ran a 10 day auction for a videotape. It sat at $72 for 9 days. An hour before the auction ends it jumps to $96.50. At the 2 minute mark it jumps to $122.50. The final 10 seconds it jumped to $202.50 . Considering I only paid $1.53 for the tape I would say things are just GREAT!!!!!
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napcruz
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posted on February 1, 2001 10:13:28 AM new
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packer
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posted on February 1, 2001 10:34:50 AM new
Hi morgantown,
Some very good advise you give. I sell pretty much the same thing, lots of vintage glass items. Could you elaborate on your lighting for taking pictures of glass.
Sometimes I have a real hard time capturing the real beauty of it and I know its because my lighting is wrong.
I too have great success on eBay selling my wares of vintage and collectables. I start at $1.00 No Reserve, I'm tellin ya, a person loves the THRILL of a REAL auction.
As for leaving negative feedback...I'll just bet that you probably don't have to with the type of stuff you sell. I haven't had a deadbeat in over 6 months.
I must say though I'm totally dishartened by the increase in fees. Especially the 10 cents for 10 days.
Running at a $1.00 no reserve I HAVE to run the 10 days to get all the exposure time I can.
I use the GALLERY also. And a heads up for those that use Auctiva. I have tried several times in different auctions to view their "showcase" it LOCKS UP my computer every time. I have heard this reported from other users as well.
Good Luck with your auctions!
packer
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