canvid13
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posted on February 2, 2001 02:35:59 PM new
If you have any problems posting on the other message board email me!
Jamie
canvid13
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twinsoft
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posted on February 2, 2001 02:45:27 PM new
Jamie, please check the OASC board. Steve
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amalgamated2000
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posted on February 2, 2001 03:43:05 PM new
yes, deco, look what word-of-mouth did for PayPal.
Word of mouth -- and about $25 MILLION for sign-up bonuses.
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canvid13
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posted on February 2, 2001 06:41:31 PM new
Hi Folks,
Email me for the new message board.
It's non-exclusive and we don't boot people.
Jamie
canvid13
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outoftheblue
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posted on February 2, 2001 11:09:04 PM new
There's a lot of auction sites out there and ya know what? They don't have the traffic or buyers to sustain the sellers they have. What would make this "co-op" site any different?
Compete with or an alternative to Ebay? Dream on! Not unless you have practically unlimited resources....
Banner ads - won't get it done.
Search engines - won't get it done.
Word of mouth - won't get it done.
Advertising - is very expensive.
Site stability - Expensive hardware and support team.
I guess I'm just too negative, or am I just realistic?
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abacaxi
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:48:43 AM new
For starters ... a planning committee that does not take their marbles and go home in a snit when things do not go 100% their way.
If you want to get ANYTHINg under way, you have to develop a hide like a rhino and the ability to set aside personal differences and keep your eye on the goal.
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canvid13
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posted on February 3, 2001 06:17:30 AM new
I agree Abacaxi! A co-op doesn't have to have a shoestring budget to be competitive and it doesn't need a monster budget. It needs what works.
Ebay didn't start out with a huge budget. If we create a great co-op that's learnt from the good and the bad of the online auction experiance of the past few years I think we will have something most folks would want to use and visit.
Jamie
canvid13
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molly001
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posted on February 3, 2001 06:35:51 AM new
No, I agree, abacaxi.
As long as personal differences continue to (negatively) surface and we have to keep being reminded of them, the efforts for meaningful discussion from EVERYONE interested will be thwarted.
Credibility is waning and along with it, people who would seriously consider this but will not become involved in "less than professional" debates.
It's time for the "off subject" comments to cease.
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 07:34:47 AM new
Is there a planning committee yet? If so, who is on it. How could one get on it, if it has not been formed yet?
I think planning committee meetings should be open to public view.
MTown
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canvid13
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posted on February 3, 2001 08:38:24 AM new
Morgantown: No comittee yet. I liked what a few posts said. Let's talk about it; here, at MAM, and on other message boards and then in a week or so let's see if the group can have meeting and elect a committee.
Jamie
canvid13
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 08:56:18 AM new
At first I thought it was a lost cause. That a Grass Roots movement couldn't work now. I've changed my mind, anything is possible. I'm willing to help with this effort. Count me in for the $100 and any other help I may offer...
MTown
I'll check out the other message boards.
[ edited by morgantown on Feb 3, 2001 12:45 PM ]
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 09:58:34 AM new
I visited the other message boards. Wow, I had no idea...
MTown
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MrJim
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posted on February 3, 2001 10:01:00 AM new
[ edited by MrJim on Feb 9, 2001 04:35 AM ]
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twinsoft
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posted on February 3, 2001 10:06:43 AM new
Morgantown, at this point we're looking at our goal. One common notion is that we must meet eBay head on, and knock them out of the water. That is typical buinsess sense, but not necessarily applicable here. We are looking to develop a viable alternative for eBay sellers, one that will last, not blow up like a balloon. We are looking at a solution that will be here next year, five years from now, ten years down the road. It is not necessary to take aim at eBay.
This is an idea I have been bringing up at AW for several months. Now with the fee increase at eBay, Yahoo's new fees, and eBay moving towards retail market sales, there is serious attention to the idea. I find it unfortunate that people can't focus on the goal and work together. I now know of at least three separate drives to develop a co-op. It is too bad we are duplicating our efforts. On the other hand if a successful co-op is formed by anyone, so much the better.
eBay clearly no longer regards their mom-and-pop sellers. Banner advertising drawing bidders off-site to buy from Topp or Ace Hardware, etc., funnelling of book sellers to Half.com, and new rules restricting sellers' private enterprises are a wake-up call. What happens when eBay fees jump up not by a nickle, but by a quarter? How many thousands of people who depend on eBay for their livelihood will be left out in the cold?
We are seeking an alternative to the situation at eBay. There has been a tremendous amount of support. Without going into specifics of advertising budget, etc., I think the idea can and will work. It can work in a VERY big way, without investing a lot of money. I believe a co-operative such as we are discussing is inevitable. Not only do I think the idea can work, but I think it can be hugely successful. We can rebuild the fun flea market that eBay used to be. We don't need to destroy eBay in order to do that.
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canvid13
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posted on February 3, 2001 02:49:27 PM new
Gee, it's funny when certain folks change their tune and adopt others line of thought?(g)
I'm not naming names or anything.
Folks, the reason I started working towards this goal is that I see all of these opportunities and more.
I may not be there at the end but I'm glad to be here at the beginning.
Check out our message board where I'll be posting most of the ideas I've recieved from others by email and my own. We can really let loose there!
And MrJim, you're quite right about the hits. It's one of the reason's I'm so bewildered by Yahoo's suicidal move?
You didn't mention that our site would have millions of hits too eventually and that we could reciprocate with other sites related to what we're doing without even competing with our membership!
Many opportunities exist. Now if we can stop fighting and pour cold water on anyone that disturbs this process we'll be fine!
Thanks again and keep up the posts. Email folks and tell your friends.
Just remember we will eventually become a target for people that will want to see this movement break up and fade away or want to control it. So read as many posts as you can to get the full picture.
Email me for the url to the message board. You can call too if you want to talk co-op!
Jamie
canvid13
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514-270-7478
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:20:45 PM new
Why can't we just assign one common place where interested people can sign-up? Get some sort of FORMAL registration campagin up and running.
Then people could begin voting on issues.
MTown
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:23:41 PM new
Jamie: People do change their minds and attitudes.
MTOWN
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:27:50 PM new
I'm interested in this CoOp idea; however, I do not see any reason for posting on so many boards.
I'm not posting anywhere but here, unless it becomes absolutely necessary for voting or other crucial reason.
MTown
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canvid13
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:28:27 PM new
Morgantown: I'm sure we'll end up with one place pretty soon. I think once things settle down and a committee is voted into place things should improve.
In the mean time I think it's important for as many people to share their ideas on as many boards as possible.
Let's spread the word and get LOTS of imput, not the same thing from the same people. (and no, I'm not trying to insult anyone)
A co-op of this nature will eventually have millions of members. Let's try and get this right from the get go.
Thanks,
Jamie
canvid13
[email protected]
Email for the url to our message board!
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:29:34 PM new
Should we begin a fresh thread here at AW to discuss a CoOp?
MTown
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:31:11 PM new
I want to vote! 
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 03:51:32 PM new
I have questions regarding how the domain name would be chosen for the coOp.
If people came up with a pool of available names and placed them on a list for public view. What would stop the unscrupulous from registering one, several, or all of them?
How could this name issue be addressed publicly for members to participate in?
MTOWN
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canvid13
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posted on February 3, 2001 04:18:58 PM new
Morgantown: If the name was our biggest hurdle I imagine that there'd be an awful lot of happy sellers!
I'm sure that we can come up with a way to do this.
Perhaps NOPAYBAY? LESSPAYBAY? NAYBAY?
Jamie
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 04:24:21 PM new
I think the name is VeRy important. Extremely important. Yuck to any "bay." 
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morgantown
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posted on February 3, 2001 04:27:12 PM new
I guess I'll go register a few, and offer them later to the members for consideration. Perhaps in lieu of my fees.
I have a large holding of domain names, and fyi, finding short 4 or 5 letter names is not easy!
MTown
ed. mtown
[ edited by morgantown on Feb 3, 2001 04:28 PM ]
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dasnice
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posted on February 3, 2001 04:44:55 PM new
you should consider telling this to the sellers at GOTO auctions. They have a message board and tons of sellers. I do most of my business there and have just began to look at auctionwatch.
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canvid13
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posted on February 3, 2001 04:58:19 PM new
It's amazing how many small auction sites there are? I wonder if you added them all up how many sales you'd have? The total numbers?
Jamie
canvid13
[email protected]
Email me for the Online Co-Op message board!
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nycrocker
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posted on February 3, 2001 08:50:33 PM new
Oh man, I was SO psyched about the co-op thing, but now I'm just getting sick watching this nonsense. The co-op has to split off into TWO divided projects now?? (Did someone mention a THIRD?) This is freakin ridiculous, it defeats the whole purpose. And why? Because of EGO?? Jamie, I can't believe you left the co-op site, started your own separate thread, and now you have your claws out every time Twin walks by. I count THREE times in this thread alone where you have antagonized him and have refused to let go and move on:
1. After what happened with twinsoft, which hurt quite a bit as I'd worked very hard and feel that some of the accusations are very much false, I'm being a bit gunshy about who I work with in the future.
2. Hi Folks, Email me for the new message board. It's non-exclusive and we don't boot people.
3. Gee, it's funny when certain folks change their tune and adopt others line of thought?(g) I'm not naming names or anything.
Come on Jamie, this is unbelievably immature. Okay so you both have your parts in this, Twin probably should not have banned you - but didn't he do that AFTER you informed him that you quit that forum? Jamie, anyone who can read can see that you pushed and pushed and pushed to get fees$$$ from people immediately, before there was anything even close to a business plan intact. You were not in the majority in that idea. And you did start insulting him and calling him a back stabber. (Why, because he didn't agree with you? Because he didn't want to collect money yet? Because he preferred to keep all the info public where we could all see it - which I think is admirable of him?) This is just crazy. If we are all serious about a co-op site, this is not the way to go about it. Okay so you disagree with each other. Let it go. You both have good ideas, but dividing everyone up now is NOT one of your better ideas, and certainly not in the co-op's best interest.
It may be only my opinion, but I am also one of the potential co-op members, so, I think I have a right to vent my opinion.
So now you want your own separate little co-op plan? Oh great, divide us all up and make us choose sides, genius. This is so ridiculously immature. Jamie why don't ya either stick with the original group and work out your personal differences, or just forget it all together.
Rocker
(edited for typos)
[ edited by nycrocker on Feb 3, 2001 08:53 PM ]
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canvid13
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posted on February 4, 2001 07:33:40 AM new
NYROCKER: What you're writing about breaks rules on AW. I won't discuss them here on AW. It's also not what the topic of this thread is.
If you want to email me or post on some of the other boards I'd be happy too answer any questions from you or anyone else.
I'd also suggest you read ALL of the threads instead of coming up with too fast an opinion. On another board you mentioned that you'd just come back into town and hadn't read everything.
There are 3 major threads here on AW and some on other message boards and of course the deleted forums on you know who's!.
The fact is I feel there's a need for a non-exclusive, non-profit, non-saleable, one member one vote co-op.
That's what I'm working towards with many others and I can't think of too many sellers and even bidders that wouldn't want that?
Jamie
canvid13
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canvid13
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posted on February 4, 2001 12:14:06 PM new
We're starting several new threads on our message board. Email for the url.
Jamie
canvid13
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