posted on August 28, 2002 11:53:17 AM new
Please, oh please, tell me that eBay will come to their senses and allow the blocking of bidding groups!
JACK WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS ONE???
I rarely list with Buy It Now but since eBay zapped 38 of my auctions last week, I needed to try a quick fix on the cash flow!
Listed 60+ auctions, about 8 with BIN.
whaddaya know.
@$#%&*! INTERNATIONAL bidder uses BIN on US Only auction. That makes 4 out of my last 6 BIN auctions that have been ended in this way.
grrrrrrrrrrrr
I'm out my listing fee, BIN fee, have to wait 7 days to file NPB & wait another 10 to file for FVF.
ALL Because I CANNOT block International Bidders who *refuse* to read.
sheesh, eBay, come on!
am I alone in this?
thanks for letting me vent.
*why do I not feel any better?*
*sigh*
posted on August 28, 2002 12:21:10 PM new
Why not just ship the items?
Most international bidders know the scoop and are more than willing to pay the extra shipping costs.
This would save you a lot of grief, and maybe, just maybe, open your eyes to the fact that international buying and selling really isn't all that difficult (plus it greatly increases your market area).
posted on August 28, 2002 12:46:28 PM newWhy not just ship the items?
Because, as clearly stated in my auctions, I do NOT ship outside the US.
Why not just read the !@#%$&* terms?
I choose not to ship out of the US from educated experience.
My business, my rules.
Your business, Your rules.
and maybe, just maybe, open your eyes
My eyes are wide open on this one.
I do not need international bidders.
I sell through at 95% with higher bids than ALL of my competitors.
The only thing my International bidders add is aggravation.
The last time I broke the rule (2 months ago) the AH NON-newbie e-mailed me six weeks later asking for a size exchange on
a US only, no return auction.
They then gave me a neutral.
That was my refresher.
posted on August 28, 2002 01:04:04 PM new
Each to their own. I was just trying to save you the aggravation of dealing with eBay, waiting to file notices and all that agonizing stuff - after all, that seems to be what has got your gotch in such a tight knot
posted on August 28, 2002 01:21:53 PM new
Some bidders just don't take the time to simply "read" the description - TOS, or perhaps they just don't give a rats-behind, period. "I feel your pain" my fellow ebayer!
posted on August 28, 2002 01:31:10 PM new
I think they just don't give a rats behind
I do U.S. Only, it never stops non U.S. bidders from bidding though, even though it is in LARGE FONT in my auction ads
I used to, all the time. I may have different reasons then others for not doing int'l, but they are my auctions, and really I wish people WOULD READ, not just look at pictures.
(I had the same vent with my shipping in another thread.... I clearly put what the shipping is, then someone wins, and b*tches, can't win! )
posted on August 28, 2002 01:49:54 PM new
I agree with you "US Only" sellers 100% about the fact that some bidders do not read your conditions, and others read them and bid anyway. These bidders are simply ignorant and there is not much you can do to stop them from bidding.
But, I thought the issue here was the hassle the OP was going to have to go though, and the money s/he was going to lose because s/he absolutely refuses to ship outside his/her borders.
In this case, I know which would be the lesser of two evils for most of you ...
posted on August 28, 2002 02:06:46 PM new
My beef is that I have to go through this hassle even though the auction states 'ship to US only'.
why bother even having it as a selling option if it doesn't mean anything?
I sell boutique clothing.
It's not just peekatapic and bid.
They did read.
They have to read.
They read the brand.
They read the style.
They read the size.
They read the measurements.
They read 'seller ships within US only'.
then they bid anyway.
what gets my panties in a bunch is that
this could easily be avoided if eBay had a 'block international bidder' function.
posted on August 28, 2002 02:24:58 PM new
I agree with the blocking of international bidders, but as in anything $%@# happens and if they bid charge them double for shipping and if they don't pay don't send it. So what you get a neutral or negative I doubt if that will hurt your business.
In your TOS say: U.S.Buyer to pay $6.00 for Priority Shipping, International Bidders to pay $12.00. do that in bold or red and see if that helps.
posted on August 28, 2002 02:48:09 PM new
Good idea Libra63. I have seen some sellers quote a price of $60.00 to mail a tape or DVD outside the US. Totally ridiculous, but it does make the point. If a non-US resident is stupid enough to bid under those conditions, they cannot complain when they get the bill, and if they do, the seller can legitimately file a NPB thing.
I'm not sure if the OP can file a NPB thing if the buyer is willing to pay though ... that does not meet the definition of a non paying bidder. To me, it would be more like a non selling seller situation.
Could get really ugly ...
PS ... can we talk about those 38 "zapped" auctions now? It seems that the OP may have another issue to deal with
[ edited by RB on Aug 28, 2002 02:49 PM ]
[ edited by RB on Aug 28, 2002 02:50 PM ]
posted on August 28, 2002 03:05:59 PM new
ZOOMIN,,,,,,SORRY, CAN'T HELP ON THIS ONE. I'LL TAKE ANY BUYERS MONEY FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AFTER ALL THIS IS THW WWW. NOT THE U.S.WEB. MONEY IS MONEY. BUT LIKE ONE SAID ABOVE, POST A REDICULOUS AMOUNT FOR OVERSEAS BUYERS. THEY BID, THEY AGREE. TAKE THE MONEY! FORGET THE E BAY CRAP. SORRY NO DEFENSE FROM END ON THIS ONE.
posted on August 28, 2002 04:48:56 PM new
NPB is filed for not following TOS.
(counts against bidder)
Can also be filed as mutually agreed not to complete auction.
(does NOT go against bidders history)
Report can also be filed with safe harbour as International bidder bidding on US only auctions
(noted on bidders account)
FWIW, a non-selling seller is only applicable when a bidder follows the terms of the auction (obviously not applicable when an unqualified bidder wins ~ they never should have bid in the first place!)
Libra
Good idea! I like it!
I think it would effectively resolve the problem!
The occurances would be less frequent & anyone crazy enough to pay it wants it badly enough for me to warrant shipping it!
(I still wont lie on those customs forms, though!)
FAB idea!
You're the Best!
posted on August 28, 2002 05:04:57 PM new
I would love to sse some blocking at ebay. Every ebay user has their country by their feedback rating box so it wouldn't be that hard to do.
Too many sellers are lenient when international bidders do bid against TOS requirements and that merely emboldens them.
posted on August 28, 2002 05:43:20 PM new
OH NO!!! NOW THE WORLD JUST GOT BIGGER,,,AGAIN! NOW, THAT IS REALLY EXACTLY WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ZIP CODE AND STATE OF THE BIDDERS BUT I WILL SETTLE FOR WHAT WE GOT AS FAR AS THE ZIPE CODE THING GOES UNLESS "I" DON'T LIKE WHAT I SEE WHEN THEY ENACT IT. BUT! IN THE MENATIME YOU THAT HATE OVERSEAS BUYER THERE IS YOUR PERFECT BLOCKING TOOL AL YOU HAVE TO DO IS QUICKLY POP UP THEIR FEED BACK PAGE AND WHEN YOU SEE,,,,PAKISTAN,,,YOU KILL THE BID AND BLOCK THE BIDDER. YOU THAT HATE OVERSEAS SELLERS PRESENTLY HAVE IT MADE IN THE SHADE. I GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE DUMB SAP HALF WAY ACROSS AMERICA WHO CAN'T READ,,,,NO SHIPPING!!!!
posted on August 28, 2002 06:13:35 PM new
What makes Pakistan any different than the rest of the world? Their US money is just as good as US money that comes from another State. Remember that first 'w' in 'www.' JACK ...
I appreciate that some sellers don't want to jump into the international marketplace. I also understand that some distribution agreements do not allow certain products to be shipped out of the USA. But, discarding that as a reason, can anyone explain, in a reasonable and respectful way, why there is such a reluctance to ship to Canada, for example. If the buyer is willing to pay the extra shipping cost (which, in truth, is usually lower than sending to an adjacent State), what's the issue?
posted on August 28, 2002 06:57:00 PM new
Zoomin: I am with you 100%. My TOS states ship to USA only. I go 4 negs from a bidder in Singapore because I wouldn't ship to him. I emailed the 2nd high bidder & sold the items at once.I used to sell international, but was stung a couple of times & said tomyself, I don't need the hassle of custom forms etc. I do just fine with USA customers.
posted on August 28, 2002 07:56:06 PM new"I 'm out my listing fee, BIN fee, have to wait 7 days to file NPB & wait another 10 to file for FVF."
Zoomin, although all the above is true, it doesn't mean you can't go ahead and relist the item, with another BIN (or not, if you choose), if cash flow is a factor at the moment. (I hope I'm not insulting your intelligence - certainly don't mean to - but we do sometimes get to thinking sideways.)
And yes, they read it all, but certain of them think they can "bully" their way through after the fact - as someone else said, they probably have been emboldened from having gotten by with it before - and if it doesn't work, it costs them nothing!
FWIW, I learned my lesson long ago about selling internationally. I wish the 2 out of 3 international buyers who make it a delightful experience made it worth the 1 in 3 who is an absolute nightmare!
Also, I suspect some areas of selling adapt to the international market more easily than others.
As for eBay coming to their senses: remember it's money in their pockets, and they'll sympathize with you all the way to the bank.
"IN THE MENATIME YOU THAT HATE OVERSEAS BUYER THERE IS YOUR PERFECT BLOCKING TOOL AL YOU HAVE TO DO IS QUICKLY POP UP THEIR FEED BACK PAGE AND WHEN YOU SEE,,,,PAKISTAN,,,YOU KILL THE BID AND BLOCK THE BIDDER."
Tell us how we can do that with a BIN, and we'll buy into it!
And just for the record, I don't HATE overseas bidders (although I do hate a bully with a passion), but there is only one of me - and until the last couple of months, I had all I could do to list, pack and ship while limiting my auctions to US only.
posted on August 28, 2002 08:21:00 PM new
AH,,,, PAY NO ATTENTION TO ME AT THIS POINT, BUT I DID JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT BIN MEANS, NEVER KNEW, BUY IT NOW! STOP DOING THAT!!!! HAHAHAH.
ANYWAY. I AM TASTING WINE AT THE MOMENT,,,,THE CONNOISSSSEUR,,,,,, IS THAT FRENCH E'R WHAT???? ESPECIALLY SELECTED FOR YOUR PRIVATE COLLECTION, COMPLIMENTS OF,,,,,REGINA HAWKINS,,,,,ANY ONE EVER HEARD OF THAT WINO????? HAHAHAH AND ON THE BACK OF THE BOTTLE LABEL......CHARDONNAY,,,,,,NOT TOO MENTION ,CALIFORNIA,,,,,,CHARDONNAY,,,,,
SCREW THE BACK OF THE BOTTLE THERE IS TOO MUCH INFORMATON AND WHO CARES ANYWAY. SECOND BOTTLE. NOT BAD. BUT ACTUALLY YUK,,,,,I NO LIKEEEEEEE. GOT A WHOLE CASE FROM THE SWAPMEET. TO EACH HIS OWN.......ANYONE WANNA BUY WHAT'S LEFT??????
OH MY GOD,,SHE MAY BE A FAMOUS WINO!!!!$500.00 PER BOTTLE. I WILL NOT SHIP THIS TO OVERSEAS BIDDERS!!!! NO WAY! NO HOW!!! AMERICANS ONLY!!!!!!
posted on August 28, 2002 08:37:56 PM new
RB-I will ship to Canada the cheapest way which isn't that expensive, but you can't get insurance on that and it takes awhile. My ties in the US go for about $1.00 in Canada they go for $1.40. I can do that but then I shouldn't be responsible for loss right? Zoomin I also will not lie on custom forms. I don't know if they can do anything to me if I did but I just can't lie and then sign my name. I would also like to see when the Canadian buyer receives the package that they write and tell me. I don't care if they leave a feedback, just a lone liner, I received your package. That is the only country so far, that hasn't acknowledged that they received my packages.
posted on August 28, 2002 08:43:20 PM new
Jack
"SCREW THE BACK OF THE BOTTLE THERE IS TOO MUCH INFORMATON AND WHO CARES ANYWAY. SECOND BOTTLE. NOT BAD."
Not to worry, by the time you get to bottle # six, anything will look good lad.
Would not ship this out of the country unless they paid triple the price.
posted on August 28, 2002 08:51:22 PM new
Libra, you can insure to Canada (and other countries) but (for some unexplained quirk in our postal system) they call it 'registration'. A registered package going outside the US is insured against loss or damage.
However, the last time I checked it was about 7.00 minimum - and is based on value as well as destination (risk factor, I suppose).
The majority of postal clerks don't know this either, and will tell a customer that they can only purchase international insurance on parcel post (or something like that).
