posted on May 12, 2003 04:04:56 PM new
neon: I wasn't as worried as I was curious. If I remember correctly, someone on this board mentioned a reversal taking place after item was shipped a few weeks ago.
So, now that I have "heard" someone say it can be done twice, I wanted to hear more about it.
As far as reading the TOS myself, I have done so before ever signing anything. But, obviously, if it is possible it is a well hidden fact so I thought someone here might know more and shed a little light on what is going on.
posted on May 12, 2003 05:53:55 PM new
My own thoughts on my own question. I THINK it's a case of bad reporting. I THINK that there is not a way for a user to rescind a payment within 72 hours, or 72 seconds, or 72 days. I hope not anyway. I THINK that Paypal will do whatever it can in cases of fraud to protect their own money. I THINK that when Paypal realized there was fraud involved, they froze all transactions, and too bad for the fellow with the Pathfinder. He's the unwitting loser in this mess. Others lost their money because they bought something that was "too good to be true", and the greed factor cost them. The Pathfinder guy was just a poor guy caught in the middle. I THINK all these things though they fly into the face of what is clearly written in the story. I THINK that this reporter will never be a serious candidate for a Pulitzer prize.
posted on May 12, 2003 06:06:44 PM new
Here are a more details about the case - these two were operating on eBay even after they were shut down as 'mylittle1s':
posted on May 12, 2003 07:09:18 PM new
pointy.
if the nissan pathfinder seller has done it the old fashion way and ask for a cashier check,he would been enjoying that 8000 plus dollars now.
just think about it,what if the buyer files a complaint within 30 days,where is the online trackable dc??
since paypal wants signature receipt for item over 200,he sure did not have that?
besides,think of the 2% plus paypal fee he has to pay on the 8700 dollars??
cashier check is the way to go,or he can bring cash,make sure it is not counterfeit
posted on May 13, 2003 07:45:39 AM new
Payment can be rescinded quite easily if done through Paypal via a credit card. But the article seems to imply that the money was a cash transfer for the buyer's Paypal account.
I recall rescinding a payment that was sent to the wrong email address. It was such a long time ago, I don't remember how I did it.
posted on May 13, 2003 08:13:13 AM new
you can cancel a payment if it is sent to an unconfirmed email address.
go into your transaction history and check the status,if it said unclaimed,then you can cancel it.
it is usually unclaimed if the email addr is not confirmed.
posted on May 13, 2003 12:39:11 PM new
So are you saying that someone who pays by credit card can just go somewhere on the Paypal site and hit the rescind payment button(if it's within 72 hours as the story states), and poof.....your money is gone. I think not. They can possibly start a chargeback, but this is not the same as a rescission. Rescind means take it back, or cancel, no questions asked, no chargeback, no worrying about delivery confirmation, or signature confirmation.
posted on May 13, 2003 01:18:36 PM new
there is no such button called RESCIND on paypal site,so why dont we just move on .
besides,
"Lying is forbidden in Iraq. President Saddam Hussein will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts
posted on May 13, 2003 05:01:55 PM new
Sad part of all of this was that this scammer was fingered weeks before anyone lost a dime, much less a life and eBay was either too greedy or too lame to do anything about it.
posted on May 15, 2003 11:33:19 AM new
A career criminal - wanted in all those states, and alreadyon parole for the same thing at another time. Don't be surprised to someday see eBay utilizing a third party to do background checks on people before they can post auctions...its the next logical step, and right around the corner.
They'll bar anyone with a criminal history relating to fraud or theft. Then they'll also bar those with a poor credit history, justifying it by claiming poor credit is an indicator to a person's "need" to steal. Then you'll have to prove you own a car by which you can go to the post office to mail items people paid for. And then they'll start with "eBay profiling" akin to airports profiling for suspicious passengers.
eBay's Safeharbor team, which clearly has ample free-time since they stopped responding to e-mails, will use their own individual best judgement - as we all know it's eBay operating procedure to have no procedure in place at all as to how its employees distribute e-justice, ranging from suspending users for one complaint to allowing others to roam free and steal at their own leisure - in deciding who is and isn't more likely to commit fraud. Profiles may indicate a greater number of fraudsters are coming from the Great Northwest... bye bye anyone in Seattle that has even one neg!
Big Brother has never stopped watching. He's only become more crafty.
"An Army of One"
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