tonimar1
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posted on August 17, 2003 05:56:06 AM new
Why is it that sellers are able to use lead words ............and they don't have that item for auction?
I'm searching for Tiffany Jewelry and so much other stuff comes up because the seller used the word Tiffany in there title, when you open the auction now you see its not that at all.
This to me should not be allowed.
I'm sure lots of you also find that the sellers are misleading and I don't understand why Sellers do this. Because if I am searching for a Tiffany Item, why would I want Your item when I get to your auction and I see it is not Tiffany????????
I'm sure this was talked about before, and I guess there is no control over words in titles unless the company themselves check out each and every auction which I guess cannot be done..............
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 05:57:40 AM new
But you looked... 
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Libra63
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posted on August 17, 2003 06:49:29 AM new
Right but she states the reason she looked because it said Tiffany. That's considered key word spamming and it is not legal on eBay. We know everyone does it but I think if you turn them in their auctions would be pulled. Why not try it with one of the auctions and see what happens, if it upsets you it is worth the try to get rid of them.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 06:53:06 AM new
Tiffany Jewelry = 42 items without including titles and descriptions
3681 if you include descriptions...
Many many with "style, inspired, like...etc" yep turn 'em in
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[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 17, 2003 06:55 AM ]
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tonimar1
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posted on August 17, 2003 07:17:42 AM new
To me its the same thing like if a car dealer advertised a car for sale but in reality he doesn't have that car but he got you into his lot.............I know a guy who did that for the dealership for many years he finially got someone so anoyed that he filed charges against him and they went back for 7 years of Ads that were put into the newspaper,.....the bottom line is he had to pay 1000,00 in fines.......but as with anything I guess there needs to be a ..."rat"..........lmao,. which that is not me.
and ..YES twelve I did look, but what good was the look its not what I'm interested in so I feel why do they have the right to waste my time like that?
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dodobird
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posted on August 17, 2003 07:26:07 AM new
i made this piece of jewelry/lamp/watch myself,it may be not tiffany but it is sure nice,take a look.
wanna save money,buy mine!!
u smart bird can use advanced search to exclude words such as 'not' or put a price range in your search.
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cramer
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posted on August 17, 2003 08:51:33 AM new
I know what you mean...it is very frustrating. I often seach for Pottery Barn items that I want and you find hundreds of items that will say the product that you are looking for (but it is homemade or generic) and then they say they will throw in a pottery barn tealight or wallie. UUUGGGGHHH!
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 08:54:50 AM new
but as with anything I guess there needs to be a ..."rat"..........lmao,. which that is not me.
Then quit yer bitchin...
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rarriffle
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posted on August 17, 2003 09:35:00 AM new
shame on any seller here telling someone else to "turn a seller in".
Libra, I have seen in some of your posts where you have advised for a seller to put "xxx like" in their descriptions.
we all do it at one time or another. I don't like it in the title either and wouldn't put it there, but there is not much you can do. The object is to get bidders looking and that is what these sellers are accomplishing.
the salesman, on the other hand, was trying to pull a "bait and switch" scam. there used to be a chain of department stores that did this, in their Sunday sale paper you would see a Television for $29 but when you got to the store, they were already sold out. this chain paid some huge fines for this practice and are now under a new name. Used to be "Sun TV".
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 09:58:35 AM new
shame on any seller here telling someone else to "turn a seller in".
WHY? if you don't help clean up the mess, you better enjoy living with it...
I for one have no problem with turning in a seller...
I say "Boo Fkn Hoo" if you don't turn in sellers that are making eBay hard to use and come here to complain about.
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 10:16:08 AM new
Some put the words in because they are definitely keyword spammers and do it on every auction they can for every item they can.
But I think many of the others just do it once or twice when they want to get some lookers and they mean no serious harm. Some may not even know they are doing "wrong".
Last winter I listed a plastic item and I used a certain term within the description, really believing that is what I had. I got a "question to seller" rant in my e-mail from a newbie on ebay. She was also new to the internet but the biggest and most important plastic "expert" in the world, in her eyes anyhow. In fact she was wrong with some of her knowledge.
She was extremely rude to me in the first e-mail and kept hammering at me in more e-mails so finally I turned to the dark side.
I edited my auction and got even more sassy in it and she went a bit nuts on me. It was all kind of harmless and I messed up the auction so much and shot up the opening bid so high that no one even bid on it and I didn't expect them to.
But I sat and laughed because it was late night entertainment to me. It is still one of my most favorite auctions I ever did.
I know, I know, maybe I wrecked a newbie's experience on ebay..... blah, blah, blah. 
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 10:42:25 AM new
Reason I don't contact the seller directly... I let eBay do that if they deem it necessary.
Never know how the email will "sound" to the other person.
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 10:49:18 AM new
I have had many e-mails from buyers and sellers. Many of these people are the most helpful people in the world and specialize in certain items and have told me which categories and which words to use to get a better price.
I sold a certain type of widget last spring and got e-mails from men all over, some with specialized websites and they either collected or sold that widget and they were the most helpful people in the world to me.
There is also a very helpful lady somewhere out there who has a huge glass collection and she is very matter-of-fact in her e-mails and some may consider her rude but I never have.
Yes, I can certainly tell the difference between a rude e-mail rant and a helpful one.
For anyone who sells antiques and collectibles for long enough on ebay, you will be amazed at the knowledge that others drop into your e-mail just so they can help you. They give you all the keywords you really need or didn't know enough to use.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 17, 2003 11:01 AM ]
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rarriffle
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posted on August 17, 2003 11:56:28 AM new
kiara I know exactly what you mean. I purchased some collectible widget sets last summer and listed a small lot of what I thought was "leftovers". I received numerous emails telling me what I actually had and one collector even told me how high the auction should go...he missed by $2.00 out of over $200.00.
twelvepole, I too would turn a seller in if they were doing anything that was actually harmful or fraudulent... what is mentioned here is neither.
to those sellers who put thousands of brand name words in their description, i would turn in in a flash. but a seller who says their item may not be Tiffany but is just as nice, for less? they are harmlessly trying to get lookers into their auction.
if we all lived in a perfect world...ahh...the thought of it
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 11:57:27 AM new
How is it not harmful? It makes search a complete waste of time...
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:11:07 PM new
BECAUSE........ the few people who wrongly identify something in one auction or who have something that they know will bring bids from people who search that term just for their collection..........
are few and far between.............
compared to............
the people who have the whole dictionary hidden in each and every one of their auctions. Or the people who put Pottery Barn in each and every auction.
I have a 2000 sq ft building of collectibles and widgets, toys, trinkets, jewelry, clothing, etc.
Some is old, some is new. I don't have the knowledge to know each and every older item I sell. Sometimes I may make a mistake and wrongly "keyword spam".
thanks, rarriffle. At least we know what we mean.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 17, 2003 12:21 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:24:34 PM new
Did either of you read the orignal post?
That is exactly what this person is complaining about. Most of those Tiffnay auctions have it in the title, but when you get inside... it is Tiffany like...
Not my job to decide if it was a "mistake" or not... I let eBay do that.
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AuctionAce
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:36:52 PM new
I find the irony in this thread that 12Pole told tonimar1 to turn in the sellers that used tiffany illegally. Then 12Pole got attacked for saying that and then 12Pole edited out the line where he said to turn in the sellers in his first thread post.
The real irony is that 12Pole took Jack to task for editing his required driver's license for ebayers thread when Jack removed the mention of requiring a driver's license. A bit hypocritical of 12Pole I'd say. 
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:39:50 PM new
I did read the original post.
I found 43 auctions with "Tiffany jewelry" in the title.
Of those I found very few that say Tiffany-type or Tiffany inspired.
If you do a search and exclude words like book, bag, etc. it will narrow it down further. Yes, some of the items are jewelry books about Tiffany jewelry so that is most likely the best category to put them in.
I did not go into the depths of ebay to search for Tiffany jewelry.
Yes, there is blatant keyword spamming out there and I have brought some of it to the boards myself.
And I even admitted here that I have unknowingly keyword spammed. Anyone that sells tons of different items has most likely done the same thing once or twice.
But..... you would have to be that kind of seller to understand?
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neroter12
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:40:33 PM new
Kiara,
LOL...(blah, blah, blah -- "I had fun"! LOL>>>
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:45:51 PM new
neroter12 LOL
Okay, in that one auction I keyword spammed all the words I could think of for PLASTIC. But I only did it after she went nuts on me and then I turned a bit whacko.
Yeah, I admit it here.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 17, 2003 12:46 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:52:47 PM new
AuctionAce.....
Jack said "E bay needs to assign a NUMBER to members"............ he meant a # like we get on our driver's license.
LOL...... Like I would be #4567B on ebay, ebay would assign me that #.
He did not mean to register on ebay with your driver's license! 
And no, he did not edit his original post saying that, it still sits there a week later unedited.
Anyhow.... back to keyword spamming.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 17, 2003 01:32 PM ]
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Japerton
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:56:22 PM new
Kiara,
Were the words hidden or visible?
I don't think there is a problem with related words, but plowing the fields of brand names for non-brands is kind of hinky.
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 01:04:51 PM new
Japerton, when I keyword spammed I may have unknowingly put Bohemian glass in the description, maybe once in the title because I was certain that's what I had.
Once I put the wrong glass maker in the description and it may have been Imperial instead of another maker, little things like that but with no wrong intent.
Good collectors came forward and told me how to get even more bids and more attention to my auction because they gave me the right info.
So basically I have been a good girl. I have never used hidden text.... never ever thought about doing anything like that.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 17, 2003 01:06 PM ]
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AuctionAce
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posted on August 17, 2003 01:34:12 PM new
Well the point was that Jack edited out controversial parts of his thread starting post and 12Pole condemned him for it yet 12Pole just did the same editing in this thread. There lies the hypocrasy of which I spoke, not of Jack but of 12Pole.
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kiara
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posted on August 17, 2003 01:39:08 PM new
No AuctionAce. Jack's first two most important posts on that thread sit there today, unedited.
I am not going down that road further. I am going to do some serious work for awhile.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
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tonimar1
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posted on August 17, 2003 04:15:20 PM new
Twelvepole..............is there a problem with your understanding what I am saying??????
Also, I don't need to be told to "Stop bitching"................
I have been in this forum for 5 years and that's all everyone does on here........for one reason or another but for u to say that to me I don't feel it is in good taste on your part.
I find your remarks in very poor taste and insulting.
Do You have a problem just responding with an intelligent comment????
Why would you show how small of a scope your knowledge is?
Why not just try sticking to the facts and leave your personal comments to yourself.
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Libra63
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posted on August 17, 2003 04:53:11 PM new
Darn you guys have good memories.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 05:21:59 PM new
Where did I edit out my posts in this thread?
Show me...
edited by Twelvepole on Aug 17, 2003 06:55 AM ] this edit was to ADD this:
Many many with "style, inspired, like...etc" yep turn 'em in
Come on AA show me...
Oh and Tonimar1 I have been here for a spell to... so what... and I don't care if you find it "insulting" I find it amusing people come here to b*tch and do nothing to help themselves...
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clarksville
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posted on August 17, 2003 05:25:10 PM new
tonimar1, in the brick and mortar store world, there are many gimics to get people to visit the stores.
Misleading titles is one of many gimics to get people to visit the auction.
There are better chances on a visiting potential customer to buy than for one NOT visiting (which the charces are zero).
Personally, I think it is unethical and as a seller, I don't do it, cause when I am the potential customer it ticks me off and I don't buy for that specific reason!
Actually, after thinking about it, it could be considered "keyword spamming" which could be reported to eBay.
[ edited by clarksville on Aug 17, 2003 05:27 PM ]
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