camodog
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:53:56 AM new
Hello,
I had a buyer contact me to buy an item outright that he was outbid on. Is it against ebay rules if I sell to him? He contacted me first, I did not contact him.
Just wondering because I get alot of people contacting me wondering if I would sell to them outright.
Thanks
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:10:10 AM new
I say go for it,
I have personally have done it... with no problems. I do always only use MO in thoses cases however.
There are those that will post that this could be an eBay "trick" but I hae yet to actually meet anyone that actually happened to and firmly believe that to be an urban legend.
Inventory is meant to be sold... no hoarded.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:10:11 AM new
double post 
[ edited by Twelvepole on Oct 13, 2003 07:10 AM ]
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reamond
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:52:32 AM new
It amazes me how brainwashed many eBayer sellers are.
IT IS YOUR BUSINESS !!! EBAY IS JUST A VENUE !!!
BEING YOUR BUSINESS, IT IS YOUR BUSINESS TO SERVE YOUR CUSTOMERS IN THE MANNER YOU DEEM FIT.
YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE THOSE WHO CONTACT YOU TO DO BUSINESS REGARDLESS OF THE PATH OR CHANNEL IN WHICH THEY FOUND YOUR BUSINESS.
You will be far more successful if you stop wasting time and energy fretting about what may or may not be against eBay's revenue protection plans, and SELL SELL SELL to YOUR CUSTOMERS !!!
edited to add: You should also include in every order an email address/web site so that your customers can contact/buy from you directly. eBay is nothing more than an inexpensive worldwide classified ad. Customer contacts and business belong to you, not eBay.
[ edited by reamond on Oct 13, 2003 07:55 AM ]
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camodog
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:57:07 AM new
reamond,
It will be hard to sell if ebay kicks me off.
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camodog
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:59:30 AM new
also, buyer contacted me thru ebay message system.
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reamond
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:09:27 AM new
Kick you off for what ??
The buyer contacted YOU !!!
If eBay did punish you for a buyer contacting you, get a lawyer. You'll never need to sell on eBay again.
I have done everthing but beg eBay to take any punitive action against me for communicating and doing bisiness with MY customers.
It is YOUR BUSINESS.
I have not advocvated spaming, or sellers contacting buyers.
However, when a buyer contacts you to do business, it is none of eBay's business. If they make it their business, they do so at their own peril.
Remember, ALWAYS include direct contact information such as email and phone number, and your own sales web site information in EVERY transaction communication with YOUR customers.
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camodog
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:16:46 AM new
"Remember, ALWAYS include direct contact information such as email and phone number, and your own sales web site information in EVERY transaction communication with YOUR customers."
This I have not done....and buyer did contact me thru ebay. Would that make a difference?
This was on the bottom of the email i got from the buyer
"In addition, solicitations
to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not covered
by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and
dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay,
please do not participate."
Thanks
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artnouveau
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posted on October 13, 2003 09:38:57 AM new
Merely listing an item on ebay does not guarantee ebay a commission no matter how or when the item sells. ebay only gets a commission if it sells through ebay. An unsold expired item, or one that you chose to de-list, is yours to do with as you wish.
“Item is no longer available,” or something like that, is on of the choices ebay gives you when you cancel an auction. Even an item with bids, which you can cancel, can be de-listed so long as the reserve hasn’t been met (in which case the item is sold). You are under no obligation to maintain an unsold item for sale on ebay. Nor are you obligated to provide them with a commission if it sells off-line.
Your prospective buyer contacted you. You can now communicate with one another privately and form any deal you like.
[ edited by artnouveau on Oct 13, 2003 10:23 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 13, 2003 10:09:11 AM new
camodog if you have already made a decision, why did you come here to ask?
Every seller will treat this the way they see fit...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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bunnicula
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posted on October 13, 2003 11:09:57 AM new
You did not say if this is an item you have more than one of, but I am assuming that is the case. If you do have more than one, I see no problem with selling this person one off eBay. However, I would have the person pay me with a money order or PayPal if you use it, and not a check.
Of course,  , if you have only the one item it would be completely unethical, not to say bad for your eBay health, to dump a legit buyer to sell at at a higher price to the outbid one offline.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
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dadofstickboy
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posted on October 13, 2003 11:21:29 AM new
You can do what you feel is better for you.
There could be some repercussion's.
If this person was outbid your instinct should be to sell to the high bidder!
If this person wanted it so bad why didn't he bid higher?
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Roadsmith
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posted on October 13, 2003 12:19:44 PM new
Anytime a buyer contacts me (rather than the reverse) and wants to buy a duplicate, I sell willingly to him. This is perfectly all right.
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"Practically speaking, a life that is vowed to simplicity, appropriate boldness, good humour, gratitude, unstinting work and play, and lots of walking, brings us close to the actually existing world and its wholeness." --Gary Snyder
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stonecold613
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posted on October 13, 2003 09:28:23 PM new
I had a buyer contact me to buy an item outright that he was outbid on.
Do you have more than the one you were selling? You did not mention that. If so, then sell like hell. If not, then you are obligated to sell it to the highest bidder. Remember, an auction is a contract. Not just for the bidder, but the seller too.
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pelorus
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posted on October 14, 2003 09:16:56 AM new
ARe you saying you won't sell to the winning bidder, but to the other person instead? That's not cool. YOu should only sell to the other person if you have more than one of the item.
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cta
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posted on October 14, 2003 02:20:13 PM new
I've had people contact me once something has already closed and didn't get a bid. Heck yeah, I'm gonna sell it to them. I figure that most likely if I don't sell it on eBay, I'm going to put it up for sale in my shop so someone's going to buy it eventually. But God forbid if someone saw my eBay auction and came into my shop to buy the item that didn't sell the first time around. Am I going to notify eBay to let them know that someone saw my listing and stopped in to buy it and turn around and pay the eBay fees because I advertised it with them? Or even better, relist it and have the buyer place a bid through eBay? I think not!
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darlingmillionare
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posted on October 14, 2003 05:04:40 PM new
Guys.... an urban legend no more I fear. I had perfect feedback, honest seller, good products for great pricing - good communications with all my buyers. I had a wallet up for bid - eBay buyer bids on it ( over 600 feedback ). She gets outbid. She emails me ( I was a naive new ebayer ) inquiring if I had an additional wallet that she could buy since she "lost" that one. Could she buy it on a "personal auction" that all her "FAVE" (as she called them) buyers did for her? Orrrrrr...... she'd be happy to buy it directly - because "she loves to save money". Newby; I said "yes" - She buys it, pays w/a MO and then the DREADED worm/SoBigF Virus hits us all!! She apparently ( being one of those buyers that needs to ask & tell 1000 million things to the seller ) writes to me and her two eMails didn't reach me. This was after we finalized our sale and her MO was on it’s way. She got furious ( being immature ) and right when I was about to ship the wallet ( thank the Gods ) - she sends a 5 page THREATENING letter telling me that she is the "QUEEN" of eBay and that she has had sellers "temporarily and permanently" removed from eBay. Well - guess what? I got dumped last night RIGHT after sending her a note telling her it was not wise to THREATEN anyone and that I was returning her money for the wallet. I thought she was a little kooky but didn't believe it was her - UNTIL I checked her 600+ feedbacks and SURE ENOUGH she has MANY MANY feedbacks from "not a registered user" and her feedbacks alone give you pause....anyone want to read them? eMail me and I will divulge!! What is eBay for? - a real marketplace or a haven for miniature satans?
~ a sadder, wiser, and panicking single mother of one who was living on her eBay because a childs insulin is expensive~
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reamond
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posted on October 15, 2003 07:09:31 AM new
Sounds like smoke to me. What did eBay "dump" you for ?
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Dragonmom
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posted on October 15, 2003 07:29:14 AM new
darlingmillionaire, when you get reinstated, put that buyer on your blocked list.
Or just re-register with a new ID
"And All Shall be Well, and All Shall be Well, and All Manner of Things Shall be Well"
[ edited by Dragonmom on Oct 15, 2003 07:34 AM ]
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neglus
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posted on October 15, 2003 07:42:15 AM new
Talk about urban legends! This ranks right up there with the shoe eating cat story as stranger than life stories!
You probably will have a hard time persuading eBay to reinstate you if you sold outside of eBay ... maybe tell them the truth and beg for mercy.
I should add that my postcards are low ticket items so when I get a request to sell outside of eBay I don't..I cancel the auction ( if still active and no bids) and then relist with fixed price and email link to the buyer. I can track the post-sale easier that way and my FVF not that big a deal. I handle unsold items that way too - just not worth the hassle or even suggestion that I violated any of eBays rules by selling outside of eBay.
[ edited by neglus on Oct 15, 2003 07:46 AM ]
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darlingmillionare
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posted on October 15, 2003 07:50:00 AM new
Not smoke reamond - I don't function like that. I was dumped for selling outside of eBay.
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kiara
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:00:31 AM new
What did the e-mail from ebay say when they dumped you?
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darlingmillionare
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:08:35 AM new
Thanks Dragonmom - When I got the notice it was very confusing as it stated I was suspended for no less than 30 days but then when I tried to get into ebay as I have many customers that I still have a responsibility to finishing transactions with, the popup said "indefinate suspension". Don't they realize how this destroys peoples lives just because someone sends in a report that isn't quite accurate?
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darlingmillionare
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:26:26 AM new
and for those of you asking how I might believe this - the buyer wrote to me FIRST threatening me that she had the power and HAD "reported several eBay sellers and have had them temporarily AND permanently suspended from eBay". Her feedback reflects that - there are Multiple feedbacks on her user id that show "not a registered user". Look at your feedbacks and ask yourself how many "not a registered users" do you have in the feedback you've left for others or they've left for you? She has 45+ non-registered users in her feedback.
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kiara
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:33:29 AM new
What did the e-mail from ebay say when they dumped you?
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darlingmillionare
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:35:30 AM new
kiara - just what I typed earlier
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kiara
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:39:15 AM new
I must be blind. I don't see it.
For me to believe this story I would like you to paste the actual suspension notice from ebay that you received from ebay.
[ edited by kiara on Oct 15, 2003 09:43 AM ]
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wgm
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posted on October 15, 2003 09:46:02 AM new
Are you darlingmillionaire on eBay? If so, are you sure the suspension wasn't Vero-related?
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
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kiara
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posted on October 15, 2003 10:04:51 AM new
Louis Vuitton and other names makes it vero related and it's also keyword spamming.
That's a no-no and probably the true reason for the suspension. That's why I'd like to see the suspension letter from ebay.
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darlingmillionare
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posted on October 15, 2003 10:13:46 AM new
kiara -
I've learned that now after reading, in detail, the user agreement but no, that was not the reason listed in my notice from them. I'm curious though as to why you are "looking" for another reason.
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