posted on February 11, 2004 12:10:18 PM new
REAMOND
..I DONT DISAGREE A BIT..at least i dont think i dont agree..
..i just dont get it i guess..this is the way it sounds to me..
..if ebay has already been adjudged not liable, or innocent, why would they be forced[or even worried] to change..again, forgive this senior moment, but it seems to me that ebay's basic business plan sets up a platform from which buyers/sellers can operate..ebay polices it when alerted - not as a usual environment of operations - but when their structure/regulations have been breached..
.. it seems to me, that is not only the least proactive business agenda, but also the safest[for ebay] to operate within - which is reinforced by your several statements..
..and they dont pay those highly touted uclaberkley lawyers for nothing..i think that ebay advances, and changes directions aggressively, even arrogantly, because of that advice that they pay for..they know exactly where they are going - we dont..
MYOPINIONOFCOURSE,
myoldtoy
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posted on February 11, 2004 01:44:27 PM new
Well,,,,,I am one happy Camper! Yes! I got ahold of the State on the phone. 15 min hold. not bad. Explained sit. Their response, we are not an enforcemnet agency. we merely recieve complaints and forward the reply to the complaint back to the complaintant.
She said I would recieve no further responses or follow ups.
Well, it's Back to [] trade for this guy.
I read her my response, short and to the point. She said GREAT! that's exactly what we like to read.
MY Powersellers logo. Whoooe! It's Still, up there! .
Annnnnnd,,,,,,The beat goes on...yeah the beat goes on,,,,,
posted on February 11, 2004 01:58:27 PM new
myoldtoy - it operates the way it operates because all the ISPs went to Congress to get the law written that way.
AOL was particularly scared about the huge liabilities operating their ISP. Everything from fraud and piracy to anything you might imagine happening with that amount of people interaction.
Think about it. eBay has 15 million listing. How many auctions are copyright infringement with liability at $30,000 to $150,000 a pop ? A lawyer would go after eBay for sure if he/she could, eBay has the money to pay, as would AOL.
Now how many are frauds ? It would be much easier to get compensated from eBay than a criminal fly-by-night seller.
eBay and AOL and the rest of the ISPs simply could not operate in that environment.
Now think of all the other types of liabilities to pin on the ISP.
How about the child molester that seduces the 12 year old in an AOL chat room ? How AOL liable ?
How about all the illegal porn being exchanged on AOL or sold on eBay ?
How about a online matchmaking service where one of the clients is harmed by another member ?
Almost ever tort you can think of can be utilized at least particially through the internet.
BUT -- when you become a billionaire with a huge corporation, you too can go to Washington to get your own laws written.
posted on February 11, 2004 02:07:55 PM new
I get it...I am now officially a "venue" and therefore am not culpable for anything I say or do. What a magic word!
Venue...maybe by also having myself declared legally insane as well, I will have double secret indemnity.
And whatever happens, I want Reamond as my lawyer...you make more sense than the one I have.
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."- John Wayne/The Shootist"(from the novel by Glendon Swarthout)
posted on February 11, 2004 02:22:52 PM new
I hearby Declares Myself a Venue! Void of any and ALL complaints set forth against me. I am just a venue to list and sell items I no longer want. No responsiblity for anything. Post Office screw ups, Ups failures and on and on and on .....yippie! Freedom! That's what America is ALL about!
And the State o' California just sanctioned me. They basically said, I am a venue, they really don't get involved just sent them thru the never ending revolving door.
MY Powersellers logo. Whoooe! It's Still, up there! .
Annnnnnd,,,,,,The beat goes on...yeah the beat goes on,,,,,
posted on February 11, 2004 02:41:40 PM new
I don't know about being a "venue", but I would recommend doing business as an LLC (Limited Liability Company). It can protect your personal assets from business liabilities.
posted on February 11, 2004 03:29:24 PM new
LLC is the way to go. I just got my LLC now I need to incorporate my websites into the LLC and have my bookeeper do all the paperwork for that and the heck with anyone that wants to sue me then.
posted on February 11, 2004 05:10:29 PM new
All those sue happy whack jobs should be sent to a taliban reeducation center.Im sure that will cure them. IMHO
posted on February 12, 2004 10:31:15 PM new
Cheryl, yes, I saw the Judge Joe Brown show concerning the Beatles signature. I felt sorry for the plaintiff that it was a fake signature and he was out the money. He should never have waited two years to find out though.
I have given out three negatives and received three retaliatory ones. That's okay. I think people need to know when someone has been a deadbeat buyer or has misrepresented what they sell. I think I can tell who is at fault when I read feedback and responses. I'm sure other people can, too.
posted on February 13, 2004 04:32:52 AM new
I don't know about anyone else, but if I see a disturbing neg (I don't mean a dumb one like - seller was a meanie) on a seller's feedback I sometimes check to see what they left or look for their response to the neg. I know that probably 90% or more of the time it's retaliatory and their response more often than not tells me so. You'd think some of these people never had to return an item to a store because it didn't work or it broke or it didn't fit. When I order from some of my wholesalers, it can take a month to get the stuff. I think some eBayer's expectations are far too high. eBay isn't Macy's or Saks.
posted on February 13, 2004 01:21:52 PM new
I agree .. if I see more than one comment about the seller being mean or nasty then I consider that to be serious red flags. Also when I see mean and snide rebutals to neutral or negative feedbacks by a seller then I consider that to be a serious red flag. I believe that there are many bidders that very reluctantly risk their money only after scrutinizing the heck out of a sellers feedback.
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