posted on May 8, 2004 11:36:28 AM new
Write a very nasty letter, tell them all what you think and make sure you question each and everyone's parentage...
Every other word should be four letters and in the envelope place some confectioners sugar... that should get you all the attention you want...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Support of the notion that our soldiers are baby killers, is nothing less than contemptible and those persons should be horse whipped...
posted on May 8, 2004 12:13:33 PM new
i see,you just want someone to help you word a letter to IRS??
you are then digging deeper into this govt bureaucracy,hoping they will get the letter,log it and read it and record it,and respond and change the computer records??
it sounds like you dont want to part with that 67 dollars,so you just have to weigh the risk of saving that 67 dollars and risking possible unpleasant consequences from IRS.
good luck.
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 8, 2004 01:39:05 PM new
I personally would pay the money and get on with your life. Here's my situation and you all should ponder it before you write the IRS a nasty anything (yes, true story - I post here often but not under this ID).
About 17 years ago my now husband goes through a nasty divorce. There was some 401K money that my husband thought his ex-wife put on her taxes since they had to cash it in and split the money. Well, neither one claimed it and they were both penalized just under $1000.00.
My husband couldn't pay the money at that time - he worked for minimum wage and had a lot of debts from the divorce and creditors hounding him, so what the state didn't take out of his check for child support he gave to the creditors. I don't think he realized at the time what the IRS penalties were. After a year the IRS started garnishing his check for penalties and interest. For 15 years until I met him he was taking home $125.00 every 2 weeks from a job that he worked 50 hours a week at. Every other penny was being taken for child support and back taxes (interest and penalties). After we married we paid off the child support (his children were in their twenties and he was still paying support because the state claims it was his responsibility to notify them that they were of age).
Our money owed to the IRS is now in excess of $70,000.00 to federal and $30,000.00 to state - all because of penalties and interest. Every year they take our refund and send us a letter saying they applied it to the money we owe and we now accrue about $36.00 a day in interest and penalties if we don't pay it off.
Now granted, the original amount owed is all here-say from my husband, but I wouldn't mess with the IRS with a 10 foot pole.
And for those of you who "know" the IRS: Yes, we have looked into settling with them but my husband is so bitter about the whole thing that he refuses to pay them another dime, Yes a tax attorney told me that if he dies first I will be responsible for the amount owed, and Yes, I am very bitter about the whole thing and if I could settle with the IRS without him knowing I would do that, but they won't deal with me.
Moral of the story is $69.00 can earn interest and penalties very quickly if you lose and then you'll end up paying a lot more.
posted on May 8, 2004 03:31:51 PM new
is this the reason why some folks hang on to their houses no matter what and refuse to sell AS THE IRS HAS A LIEN ON THE HOUSE???
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 8, 2004 03:49:55 PM new
Supposedly they can't put a lein on the house because I owned it before we were married, but his name is on the house because we refinanced after we were married and the mortage guy told us that in this state his name had to be on the mortgage.
This year we would have had a $4000.00 refund. I thought of next year filing "married but filing seperately". He doesn't work (he does the ebay stuff) and all the business stuff is in my name, plus I work. So I'm wondering if I can file that way and just not file a return for him. We use Turbotax, so I never checked for sure - I think one year we used H&R Block.
posted on May 8, 2004 05:35:46 PM new
Don't dick wit' da G-man.
Trust me on this one...they are now my buddies, but even the most straightforward freelance return can become an ugly bag of wet cats...and I didn't deduct nuffin'!
Remember all those senate testimonies about that the IRS did to people's lives?
Now with a deficit, partison bickering aside, they are upping the ante on tax collection.
Hubris and Hamartia...look 'em up. You: the tall blade of grass. The IRS: Lawnmower blade.
The IRS can take the starch right out of a nice day.
posted on May 8, 2004 07:49:45 PM new
The IRS said I owed them $987 more and I paid it. No way I want to deal with them. I did owe most of it, but part of it was a penalty as well. No way in hell I was going to ask them to fight it with the or anyone else, I just paid and and consider myself lucky to move on.
posted on May 8, 2004 10:36:58 PM new
Cramer states that she printed postage on the 15th and mailed it on the 15th. She does not state that she took it to the postal counter to get the official Postal stamp with the date on it. If you didn't do this, it could have been stamped the next day and you are screwed.
posted on May 9, 2004 05:56:26 AM new
cramer,
some of us do not know how endicia works,may be you can explain how does endicia know it was stamped by the post office april 15th??
why do you mail it on the 15th,not 14th or 13th or 1st??
i mailed mine on the 7th.
[ edited by stopwhining on May 9, 2004 06:04 AM ]
posted on May 9, 2004 07:57:00 AM new
This is very simple.
How does endicia work? Is it like a postage meter? Can the letter be mailed on any day or ONLY on the day postage was printed.
If a letter with endicia postage can be mailed at anytime then you have NO proof. You owe the penalty, end of story.
The IRS does not accept postage meter receipts as proof of mailing.
They used to have a problem with people printing postage dated April 15 with meters and then mailing their returns late.
IF endicia and the PO require the letter be mailed on the day postage was printed then you have proof. You need to send written proof that an item with endicia postage must be mailed on the day postage was printed along with your other proof.
Letters of complaint should be sent to your Congressman, not the IRS.
In the future, if you want proof of mailing purchase a Certificate of Mailing from the post office. It costs and additional .90 cents and offers proof positive that an item was mailed on a particular date.
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Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.
Woody Allen
posted on May 9, 2004 08:30:48 AM new
first,how can endicia or post office restrict anyone to which day they should mail their endicia stamped letter??
does usps have a device which compares the date on endicia stamped package with today's date??
second,getting a certificate of mailing will require a trip to the post office which i assume cramer wants to avoid,hence endicia.
finally,how does endicia know what is going on inside the postal system,the only data it can pick up would be what is available to the public such as dc??
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 9, 2004 09:09:07 AM new
Yep...I guess you're right...Endicia only states that I printed postage on that day. I may end up having to pay the fine, but it seems to me anyone with good sense would know it had to have been mailed that day when it arrived on the 18th. Oh well, we'll see.
posted on May 9, 2004 09:13:48 AM new
Here we go again - till another threa where Stop is insult snide and overwhelming rude and all without botherin g to even attempt to what is actually being asked.
As for all of the stories about rising fees and this that and the other thing - they all seem to be based on an unpaid principle which is not the case here.
Cramer - you need t try to whittle this down to a single person that you are dealing with, call the help line and immediately request to speak with a supervisor. Explain that you use a third party postage system and that although you posted the piece on the 15th, it was not stamped at the post office itself becuase of the prexisting postage but rather canceled on it's next stop on its journey, the main station which seems to have been the nexst day. The supervisor is not going to be able to forgive the debt but should be able to help you focus your effects in the right direction.
Good Luck
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on May 9, 2004 09:46:18 AM new
excuse me,fenix,if you want to insult me,at least correct your bad typing!
or is english your second language too??
i am just raising the question over and over again as i do not use endicia and i do not know how it works.
so endicia spits out the postage stamped 4/15/04 and dc said it was delivered on 4/18.
BUT WHEN DID CRAMER MAIL IT??
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 9, 2004 10:12:25 AM new
I wouldn't ponder the letter too much. The IRS gets thousands of letters, hateful and not, everyday. The person who reads it couldn't care less; just whether there's the specified payment enclosed. Relax...deep breath...state what is required and move on. I feel your frustration. Good luck and good selling.
posted on May 9, 2004 10:13:46 AM new
Actually you decided in here to bring in a whole new date. Cramer clearly stated that the item was mailed on th e 15th and recieved by the IRS on the 18th and yet you have this snide sarcastic post that somehow includes mailing on the 18th and receipt on the 20th. Mailing date was stated in the third sentence of this thread... "I sent it on the 15th"
As for my typing... I think you gain the priviledge to comment on it shortly after you manage to locate the shift key. My problem is computer related, using a non apple keyboard which tends to drop charachters if I type too fast.
As for insulting - you are one to talk - you have been doing it quite a while to numerous posters here - If you can't take the heat.....
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on May 9, 2004 11:36:03 AM new
the best way to make sure you 'sent it out ' is like someone suggested,get a certificate of mailing.
but then it would require a trip to the post office.
it is up to cramer,now she is going to educate the IRS clerk what endicia is.
I am just trying to understand what endicia does and does not do.
I am sure anyone who is considering using endicia would be interested to find out-if IRS will accept endicia date as it accepts usps stamped date.
and what about the credit card company,and the state,county and city branches??
anyone who does not like my postings can ignore me,i dont know why you dont do that,it does not take much.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 9, 2004 08:20:19 PM new
Stop, you are still clueless. Endica is NOT a postmark. I couldn't remember that term for some reason in my previous posts. If you print postage from your computer, no matter which company you go through, that is NOT a postmark. That can only be done at an official postal station. A sub-station cannot even give you a postmark. And for sure Endica cannot give it to you. And the IRS says it must be postmarked by the 15th. That means it must be at the postal station early enough to get the post mark, irregardless of where you got the postage. If you have ever been to the post office when one of the clerks are checking the online printed postage packages, you will notice that they weigh them, then if they are acceptable, they will stamp the postmark on them. That included Endica printed items.
posted on May 10, 2004 06:45:57 AM new
stone,
if this is the case ,then why does cramer even bother to bring up endicia date??
if she sent it on april 15 by dropping it off at a post and print outfit or even a roadside USPS mailbox and it was not picked up and delivered to the post office until april 16,then it would bear april 16 postmark.
This may just be the reason why IRS is fining her for being late.
The question for cramer is-what does she mean by 'i sent it'??
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 10, 2004 07:40:35 AM new
fenix said,
Explain that you use a third party postage system and that although you posted the piece on the 15th, it was not stamped at the post office itself becuase of the prexisting postage but rather canceled on it's next stop on its journey, the main station which seems to have been the nexst day.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 24, 2004 08:43:39 AM new
UPDATE:
I received a clearance letter today....NO FINE...they posted the payment to the wrong ss#. Of course, they admit no wrong doing.
Just thought you'd like to know.
posted on May 24, 2004 09:32:00 AM new
what payment?
the fine or the original payment ??
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 24, 2004 09:33:14 AM new
cramer: That's good news. I've always suspected the IRS is not quite so anal as to be eagerly scanning postmarks on incoming mail April 16...it would probably cost them more to do that than they would reap in interest and penalties.
I, on the other hand, did get an "additional tax owed" letter from the IRS this year. No argument here; I really do owe it. I stupidly took the advice of a friend and now I have to pay a few dollars (literally...the interest and penalty comes to less than $4). What happened was I sent my last estimated tax payment for 2003 late, and they credited it to 2004. Friend said that since I sent the payment in with a 2003 coupon, that's how they would credit it. Uh-uh. Good news is that I don't have to send them so much now for 2004.
posted on May 24, 2004 10:31:43 AM new
toollady, injured spouse, right. The IRS laughed at her. She had knowledge of the fraudulent returns. Yea, one cost her a broken arm. The last one I told her to sign then put 'under coercion' under her name. That cost her a separated shoulder, but the IRS did accept THAT.
Then there was the time I smacked my ex brother-in-law with an office chair in the basement of the Kern County Courthouse. He hit me first, and I nailed him good with one of those green vinyl and metal chairs, broke a weld. I was shocked when he got back up and came at me. It was like a Madonna song, I was ashamed of myself, but it felt so good I wanted to do it again.
She survived, used a .22, and has had to go to her lawyer every year for the last 10 or so, to get her refund.
There is a special place in hell for revenooers, and I have applied to help with their misery.
