posted on June 10, 2004 10:54:47 AM new
I swear to GOD above I do not think people read descriptions. I have a set of dishes listed. I CLEARLY state IN the descpiption that I have 4 of them the winner has an option to buy one or all of the 4! They are 10 1/2 " plates I have written to 3 people since last night when they went on at 9:30 EST how many and what size I HATE STUPID PEOPLE I HATE STUPID PEOPLE I HATE!!!!!!! STUPID PEOPLE. Thanks for letting me vent!
posted on June 10, 2004 11:03:12 AM new
is this a dutch auction??
if not,how are they supposed to bid??
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posted on June 10, 2004 11:11:52 AM new
This 10 1/2" dinner plate is in the now discontinued Buchan Thistle pattern. It is in excellant condition no chips cracks crazing or knife scratches. It is in barely used if at all condition.The dinner plates in this pattern are very hard to find (in nice condition)It is my understanding that the Buchan factory is no longer producing any dinnerwares. To bad as it is certainly lovely and sturdy stoneware. It does set a pretty table. I have a nice group of Buchan for sale this week including a total of 4 Dinner plates 3 cups and saucers cream and open sugar,divided vegatable and handled cassarole dish. Winner of this auction may elect to purchase 1 or all of the plates at the closing price
The above is the DESCRIPTION!! Clearly stating 10 1/2" and that the winning bidder will have an opportunity to purchase 1 or any # after the close. It is clear to me anyway! The bidder at the moment is a new ebay person that person is excused, save the fact that, why would anyone bid on ANYTHING whithout reading the description???
posted on June 10, 2004 11:29:28 AM new
hi bj:
this is the same as me assuming the word "actual" means actual.
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and as i type this, i gonna duck...
when you added the other "pieces list," you confused, at least, some of the people. however, i dont see it as confusing. but i not a prospective buyer either. i bet if you check other auctions; you will something akin to this in some auctions: YOU ARE BIDDING ON XXXX PLATE[S] ONLY.ETC,ETC... at least that is what i do-and i not the smartest person around - but i tend to disarm stupid questions in advance now - and that comes from experience...
also,if ebay has your auction brought to their attention, they will cancel it-on the perhaps preconceived misconception that you paid to list only one plate - you may have paid for listing four..if it is a dutch auction... i know about ebay cancelling; i had that happen to me.
myoldtoy
EDIT TO ADD: on my first read, i didnt see "after the auction." i dont even need to add anything to this statement...
[ edited by myoldtoy on Jun 10, 2004 11:31 AM ]
posted on June 10, 2004 11:43:40 AM new
Trust me, nobody reads anything. With my winning bidders, I send out an email with both my Paypal payment info, and my snail mail address. Inevitably, I get 2-3 mails a week that reply to this with "What is your address so I can mail a payment."
Ironically, when they reply, they've copied my entire original mail to me, which includes my mailing address. These are bidders who have -won- something, and they're still not reading a thing.
posted on June 10, 2004 12:00:19 PM new
Old Toy Your right I have been an ebay seller since 1997 and I do take that risk of someone being hissy and turning me in ... my point is however it simply blows my mind that people bid without reading. I also get the whats the shipping whats your address. I swore this morning I was going to try to find a way to list things so I could never get dumb questions again YEAH RIGHT! I am not certain that is possible. I would liek to try to eliminate some of the write to me with your name and address so I can calculate shipping. I sell such a variety of things I am tring to just be fair and honest with my customers and MYSELF! I think its time to give blanket shipping charges like so many ebay sellers. I just paid $5.25 to have a CD shipped to me from Ct to NH!!!... no media mail option buy it or don't! They obviously made an additional $3 on the CD. (my husband won it not me incidentally and since it comes out of my account he doesn't take the shipping into HIS consideration!) I do thank you all for listening I know we all get the same crap thrown our way all the time today is just my day to be fed up! I wonder what it would be like to go to work for someone else and get a paycheck every Friday?
posted on June 10, 2004 12:12:38 PM new
I'd put the "winning bidder may elect to purchase" quote at the very top of the description, perhaps set off in some way or centered, then new paragraph.
Many DO NOT read the description at all. Last week I got 3 questions on auctions of books, to be sent media mail, with $$ amount clearly stated in auction. "How much to ship to Zip 90024?" Etc.
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posted on June 10, 2004 12:13:54 PM new
hello again bj:
i didnt mean for my thread to sound presumptive on my part...and i know one cant be EXPRESSIVE ENOUGH.. but we do try to circumvent those inane questions dont we? and it does certainly seem in vain.
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i have nothing running @ auctiont now; but i want you to see how empathetic i am...this c/paste is at the beginning of my auction in bold 2x size in red!
"IF MY PRESENTATION DOESNT MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, PLEASE QUESTION IT BEFORE BIDDING...MY FEEDBACK SHOWS THAT I BUST MY BUTT TO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE ...MY S/H/I IS CLEARLY STATED - IF YOU DONT AGREE TO MY S/H/I TERMS-QUESTION THEM, OR DONT BID ON MY MERCHANDISE...THIS IS ONLY FAIR - TO BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION."
i did this mainly because winning bidders ignored my s/h/i fee, and sent me what they wanted me to have.
posted on June 10, 2004 12:25:22 PM new
is there any picture??does it show one or 4 dishes??
when you said the bidder can choose to buy any number after auction closed??
how does it work??
i assume the auction is for one dish and if i bid and won at my price of 9.99,does it mean i pay 9.99 each for the other 3 dishes??
if i bid and win at 99.99,does it mean i pay 99.99 for each additional dish??
this is also against ebay rule,you are trying to sell up to 4 dishes while paying listing fee of one and final value fee of one,and you said you have been selling since when?????????????
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posted on June 10, 2004 12:28:52 PM new
if you have been selling that long,you must know bidders come from all over ,and some have different cultural background and language and interpret your terms differently.
Some may just have no patience reading long descriptions,thats ebay bidders for you-if the pic takes too long to load,they hit the back button,if too many terms ,they hit the back button,if they dont like the background color,they hit the back button.
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I agree that people don't read, but...
it's a lousy description. It is in essence a dutch auction without being listed as such.
The inclusion of other items listed IN the body is confusing and unclear as is the final line - expect someone to say " I will buy all the plates at the closing price of $12.99" and then expect to pay that, $12.99 for all of them.
True, people don't read, but it's up to the seller to make it readable.
posted on June 10, 2004 04:53:37 PM new
First- Sorry, I agree with the others. You are having is a Dutch auction, but listing as a regular auction. You might want to revise to say the final price is PER PLATE. I only say this as I don't know how difficult it would be to change the auction format. If you can at all.
Now for the things that frost my cake:
US only does not mean Pakistan (expensive computer components-wound up with ending an auction early over that one), or Japan (motorcycle- worked out well though, he arranged all shipping, wired the money to me, paid my husband to crate it, and is one of the most pleasant eBuyers I've ever had!).
Shipping determined by shipping calculator means use the shipping calculator!! You don't need to waste your time emailing me!
Waiting until the last minute to "Ask Seller a Question"! Most of us do not sit in front of the computer when our items go off. We have lives! (I was with the Harley though!)
I'm sure there are others, but those come to mind.
posted on June 10, 2004 05:22:33 PM new
You're angry at people because they don't read?? eBay should be angry at you for fee avoidance. Your're trying to get people to buy all four plates by just listing the price for one and only paying the fee for one. If you get away with it more power to you but don't blame the people who question you. They just don't understand what you're trying to pull.
posted on June 10, 2004 05:53:22 PM new
thats not all she is selling to try-the remaining 3 dishes,she also have cups and saucers she wants to unload.
makes it confusing as hell what she is saying.
bidders have short memory,10 1/2 inches plate is stated at the beginning of the sentence but as they keep reading and see that she has more dishes,set a nice table,more cups and more saucers,they have forgotten what is really the item being auctioned off ??
anyway i wont get upset over 3 emails,i seldom get that many inquries on one item.
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posted on June 10, 2004 09:02:44 PM new
g'girl; if you are having trouble getting a good nights sleep because of meds. Do as I have done, I use Tylenol PM (actually I use Costco's Kirkland Nightime) same formula as Tylenol at i/3 the price. I sleep better than a baby. They wake up every 4 hrs, I don't.
posted on June 10, 2004 09:21:54 PM new
I wouldn't get upset at the emails from the non reading bidders. I would get upset at the email you're likely to receive from Ebay telling you that you're NARU for fee avoidance. My advice would be to end that auction now and relist it the way it should be, either a dutch auction or a single item auction. You can't have both.
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posted on June 11, 2004 04:10:45 AM new
Dear Bjboswell,
Using the description you posted here, I easily found your auction on Ebay. As a long-time Ebayer, I am savvy enough to realize you are selling only one plate for the bid price. But you have pictures of all the other pieces you wish to sell in the auction, and theses pictures are given the same prominence as the plate picture. It could be confusing to a first-time bidder, like the very one who has placed the first bid on your auction.
The auction would be likely confusing for the less experienced eBay shopper. As others have said here, it is a very good idea to state very clearly on a separate line something like, "PLEASE NOTE WELL - YOU ARE BIDDING ON ONE PLATE ONLY."
I also agree that it is fee avoidance since you did not list it as a Dutch auction.
Unfortunately, by giving all the data you did, anyone lurking here can find your auction and report you for fee avoidance. I'm not going to do it. You were up front about they way you listed it. Most listing violations are not searched for by eBay employees, they are reported by other users who run across them while browsing or researching.
None of the above post is intended as criticism, simply observation.
posted on June 11, 2004 05:34:05 AM new
poor bj,
she came here to vent and look what she gets!!
ebay selling is a lot of work,take a small vacation and get away for days or week and come back,you will feel better.
It is a lot of work for one person-find item,take photo,list,pack and ship.
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on June 11, 2004 08:53:23 AM new
I think what the OP is describing is what's called a "choice" auction - where a number of items are shown in the ad, and the bidder can select one, some, or all for the bid price of $9.99 each.
eBay has a separate rule on that:
A choice listing occurs when a seller allows buyers to choose from a selection of items. Choice listings can be problematic because of the potential for fee circumvention, transactions outside of eBay and other issues.
Choice listings are generally not allowed and will be ended. The Insertion Fee will be automatically credited for that listing. See also the policy related to choice travel certificates.
Exceptions:
* Listings may offer custom-made items or services that are created or customized to the buyer's specification such as made to order clothing. Other permitted examples include re-sizing of rings or personalized mailing labels. All offered options must be provided at no additional charge to the buyer. Choice of title in software, books, music or movies is not allowed. Choice of size in pre-made items is not allowed.
* Multiple quantity listings (Multiple Item Auction, multiple-item fixed price or store) may offer a choice of color in otherwise identical items. However, the seller must be able to fulfill the entire quantity of every listing in any offered color even if every winning bidder makes exactly the same color selection. It is not permissible to state "The highest bidder gets first choice." Choice listings may not be offered "subject to availability" or request the buyer to contact the seller to see which colors are available or what quantity is available. This exception for choice of color does not apply to single quantity listings.
I think that to do a "dutch auction," the items have to be identical.
I've looked at this issue because my father has some things in multiples. So far as I can tell, the multiples have to be identical - including condition - and then you can do a "buy it now" auction, which shows that X number are available.
But with a group that includes dishes, cups, etc., I think you have to do them as a complete group for the bid price, or as individual auctions for the individual pieces.
I can see where the OP's listing would be confusing to a lot of people.
posted on June 11, 2004 01:51:20 PM new
Gee, ambiguous wording, erroneous use of listing type, one picture of four plates, and shipping terms not completely delineated. Add to that the fact that your price is outrageously out of step with the other items I am seeing in my search, NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR FOUR PLATES??? Oh my, oh gee, I've had my laugh for the day.
Do you ENJOY getting email? You will have the questions from the bidders that don't read and from the confused ones that do.
On the plus side you have great feedback, but this auction looks like an exercise in futility. Do you just enjoy the listing game?
MY BAD!! I was wrong as to which seller this was. meadowlark is correct here is the appropriate link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3729612895 which seems to have been changed. Still, great feedback, plus excellent pictures, description, and short TOS. eBay may end it early though. My embarassed apologies to the OP and bovirt.
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posted on June 11, 2004 02:26:47 PM new
she must have revised the auction,there is no more mention of cups and saucer and it is now a buy it now with quantity of 4.
shipping is 14.25 per plate.
225 is a lot of money for a dinner plate!!
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on June 11, 2004 05:39:16 PM new
okay,i see it now.
i am still confused on -you can buy any of these at the closing price??
it tells me not to bid high if i want to buy more??
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on June 11, 2004 06:01:55 PM new
Stopwhining,
The seller is offering one plate on this auction. She (assuming it is a she) says:
"Winner of this auction may elect to purchase 1 or all of the plates at the closing price."
She means that whatever the first plate sells for, she will sell as many other of the 4 plates, EACH at the same closing price to the high bidder. So if this plate closes at $18.00, for instance, the buyer can buy 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 at $18.00 each.
If there are other bidders, and the price goes up, and the winning bidder does not want all four plates, she could potentially offer the other plates as a "Second Chance" offer to the next lower bidder, which is okay by Ebay rules.
posted on June 11, 2004 06:38:53 PM new
Wait!!! No aspirin ... No Tylenol ... Ummmmm ... Here's some Naproxin. But then, again, what organ does NAPROXIN damage?
posted on June 11, 2004 08:04:33 PM new
Stop...Those over the counter drugs like aspirin and tylenol can cause severe organ damage. Try something safe. Like Jack Daniels
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on June 12, 2004 05:03:49 AM new
This is just as bad as the seller with that Italian gold chain,stated reserve is 50 and did not put a reserve on it,just to save some money.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
But then, again, what organ does NAPROXIN damage? 
