posted on June 2, 2001 08:44:02 PM new
Helen, yes people like to talk about sex
but I did not start the Clinton thing, someone else did, on page 2 or somewhere, so...... lol
krs
[i]Where is the relevance in that? Do you mean to say that a president punches a timeclock or that a home office is not a home, or that you know that Monica was in pay status during the event?. The statement is meaningless.[/]
How is that meaningless? The President is paid by you, me and everyone else. So, he is in a sense 'your public servant'. (Well actually all elected politicians are called Public Servants)
Clinton was in a sense, wouldn't you agree, Monicas 'boss'. After all she was an intern or aid or whatever the heck she was.
He doesn't punch timeclock, a President is 'on duty' 24/7. And the 'home office' no President EVER owns, it is not their personal playground. It is public gov't property.
So you don't mind paying for the "motel hour" or afternoon delights of your public servant?
posted on June 2, 2001 09:48:35 PM new
Actually, nearthesea, since my post was not directed to yours, your post to mine is irrelevant. However, as long as you are here, and since you have brought questions of national security, the duties of a president, and that a president works continually to the fore, are you assured that Mr. Clinton was not doing with Monica exactly as you paid him to do? As you do not know the duties or the chain of command directing Monica's employ, yet you will maintain that her duties, her entire performance of her job, were the responsibility of Mr. Clinton. Can you say with any certainty that monica, as a white house intern, was not suspected of sundry leaks of information gleaned while engaged in her duties, or of other questionable actions which might have threatened the national security? Isn't it possible that Mr. Clinton was doing exactly as you paid him to do in making entreaties to monica? Perhaps to better find for himself. as final authority, whether he could determine the state of risk she might have posed, if any?
posted on June 3, 2001 03:08:46 AM new
Control his own daughters, is that what's required of him? What parent can control a 19 year old child, and why would we want to raise a child to be controllable at 19?
posted on June 3, 2001 05:17:36 AM new"Control his own daughters, is that what's required of him?"
In the view of the peoples of several areas of the world, such children do demonstrate the abilities of the parent(s), and as a world political figure personal characteristics can be all important in setting the tone of respect or lack thereof in negotiations of all types. As the (s)elected representative of this country bush can very well be required to present to the world a dignity in all aspects of life by the standards of other peoples in order that he can be most effective in dealings with those peoples in the interest of the United States.
In several cases the children or siblings have been political hindrances to elected persons, and such hindrances should be controlled in order to protect the interests of the nation.
"Isn't it possible that Mr. Clinton was doing exactly as you paid him to do in making entreaties to monica? Perhaps to better find for himself. as final authority, whether he could determine the state of risk she might have posed, if any?"
LoL
Your creative writing skills are awesome!
Why don't you give a few tips to my buddy,
~Jamesoblivion~. He seems to have difficulty expressing himself...maybe a semester in "sweet nothings" would be in order.
posted on June 3, 2001 07:44:23 AM newAs the (s)elected representative of this country bush can very well be required to present to the world a dignity in all aspects of life
No. He can very well be required to present to the world a dignity in all aspects of his life.
[ edited by donny on Jun 3, 2001 07:47 AM ]
posted on June 3, 2001 09:16:14 AM newIn several cases the children or siblings have been political hindrances to elected persons, and such hindrances should be controlled in order to protect the interests of the nation.
Oh! you mean like the Kennedy sibling?
But look what happened to Teddy, he turned his life all the way around, and he's one that I would look up to in the Senate, he's like a rock there
(not! )
Helen
Can you imagine where he would be right now if he was not born into such incredible power and priviledge!
posted on June 3, 2001 12:17:10 PM new
I would like to point out that Alexander The Great, whom I greatly admire, lived a rather dissipated life... Yet, look at what he accomplished! So, enough about Mr. Clinton's sexual behaviour (or lack of behaviour ), which was not the topic anyway.
I still feel and always will, that the bushiegirls are expected to act with a minimum of decorum; and bush's inability to parent when they were younger, is VERY apparent NOW.
Princess Margaret, Queen Betty's younger sister, rebelled and married a man "outside of her circle"...BUT, look at the restricted lifestyle which was imposed by the British Court!...
This is NOT the case in America. Young people rebel for the H--L of rebelling...They no longer need a cause!
These two girls were WRONG. They may not respect their parents, but by breaking the rules, they are also showing that they do not even respect THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
Send them to the Peace Corps! Nothing like a little hardship to put things in perspective.
posted on June 3, 2001 01:24:22 PM new
Hi there, James welcome back
I am not very smart or good with words...But I am sure you know what I mean.
I certainly am the last one to say I agree with all of the laws of the country! BUT, there are other means of showing one's dissatisfaction. Many of us already know that bushytail is a jerk, but his daughters should not make it more obvious than it already is
Yes, to consider oneself above the law is a form of disrespect toward the country and the people of that country.
posted on June 3, 2001 03:15:51 PM new
The first time around, Jenna paid for her 'crime' just as everyone else does. I agree that ordering a margarita doesnt' mean that she is a horrible disrespectful, unpatriotic american. I think it displays that she is a normal college student. Just because her father is president, doesn't remove the peer pressure and the feeling of freedom that comes with being in college.
posted on June 3, 2001 03:24:33 PM new
I don't think that anyone could fault the girls themselves for simply acting in accordance with their moral upbringing.
posted on June 3, 2001 03:46:21 PM new
I'm just trying to get a grasp on the whole family values concept, Helen, especially since it has become a cornerstone of Bush's political philosophy. I think that I am beginning to comprehend that though it is one of those terms that sounds positive, it is really only used negatively and never has any application to the user or his friends, especially those with money and power. Do you think that I'm on the far right track?
posted on June 3, 2001 03:49:31 PM new
"Good distinction. But, so far I haven't seen a presentation of dignity in
even ONE aspect of his life. Have you?"
Yes, I have. His public non-comments on his daughters' troubles goes right in the dignity column as far as I'm concerned.
posted on June 3, 2001 04:04:05 PM new
Nonsense. He's got his publicity man threatening doom for any media that chooses to report on his daughter's piccadillos. That mouthpiece can be considered to be bush himself speaking without the bushisms.
posted on June 3, 2001 04:59:35 PM new
Hello, all. Regarding the topic a while back, I don't think the media treated this matter unfairly at all. They reported it, and I saw absolutely no hint of "gossip," snickering, or any of the usual criticisms. In fact, I saw a Sam Donaldson piece on this (should Jenna be protected from the media because of her age) and I agree with Donaldson; they're reporting it because it's newsworthy, no other reason, and I think they handled it fine. Jenna will have to parade through the streets nekkid on horseback before the media will give a dang. She is not a media target.
Wow, Shosh, this is really a sore spot with you and I'm kind of wondering why. Is it only about "decorum?" Because I don't remember you coming out against Clinton when he was tossing Monica cookies under the table. Not wish such a temper, anyway. President Bush deserves to be condemned based on his own actions. His 19-year old daughter acting out seems like such a non-issue, I don't get it, except:
1) AW Round Table is THE spot for hot political commentary (aka, gossip)
2) Everybody hates Bush
3) Babes love Clinton
