posted on August 30, 2000 03:08:14 PM new
I just had an auction canceled for using Hummel like in a title description. Say it violates VERO rules. My question is, can I not use Hummel like in description, or in no way mention Hummel at all. Also could I still list the item in the Hummel category?
posted on August 30, 2000 04:13:12 PM new
The problem is that many sellers try, or have tried, to use brand names to attract attention to auctions of items which are not of that brand. "Not Hummel" or "Like Hummel" would be two popular examples. This also happens in luggage and clothes, for example. You are not the first person to do this, even if by happenstance. It is a widespread problem.
People actually looking for Hummel hate that sort of thing, and for good reason - they can't find the items they're looking for. Instead, they see pages of items they're NOT looking for, or worse, fakes of items they're looking for.
What has likely happened is that some cheesed-off hummel collector out there has decided to report everything they see that mentions Hummel and isn't. You might be able to get away with it inside the description, but I wouldn't try putting it in the title again. If it's not hummel, it's not hummel. too bad.
posted on August 30, 2000 04:21:53 PM new
Most likely, these Hummel-type figurines are Made In Japan...so, it looks like that is where they will have to go: the Made In Japan category...or the General or Decorative categories...
posted on August 30, 2000 04:31:29 PM new
There are figurines 'like' Hummel, that are Goebel, but then is that the same as Hummel?
I see they go for high $ at the store, or antique store, and they do not say Hummel, but only say Goebel (sp?).
posted on August 30, 2000 05:19:11 PM new
I hate the "like" and "not" listings. I hate wading through pages of stuff I am not looking to buy.
My greatest fury are jewellery listings that are tiled 10K or 14K and when you get to the auction page it reads "layered with pure 10K gold" or "bonded with 14K gold". Depending on how many I find , and how misleading and irritating the auctions read, I send them to Safeharbour.
Hummel is Hummel, Goebel is Goebel, and Made in Japan is Made in Japan . Sell whatever you want to sell, but list it accurately.
posted on August 30, 2000 05:26:27 PM new
theses happen to un marked, not coutry of orgin. they were very well made. is there a such thing as un marked hummel, mt parent use to have alot of actual marked Hummel pieces, and can say they were no better looking or any finer detail than theses. I am not a collect of these, so I a unsure what they are.
Antyque
posted on August 30, 2000 05:37:36 PM new
The company, W. Goebel Porzellanfubrik, headquartered in Germany, is the sole manufactuer of the M.I. Hummel figurines, bells and plates.
I live near the U.S. Goebel sales office and have a friend who has worked there.
Hey, wonder if she still has any connections!?!
If your item is manufactured by Goebel, it is an original Hummel figurine. Good Luck!
posted on August 30, 2000 06:02:48 PM new
The problem in this case is that the Japanese made figurines to look just like the Hummels produced in Germany. They are sought after but obviously do not sell for nearly as much as the German Hummels.
If you want people to find your figurines how on earth are you supposed to describe them if they are copies of Hummels but you can't use the word Hummel in the description?
I would, however, not put them in the Hummel category because they do not belong there. They do belong in the Made in Japan area. That might be what caused the problem to begin with. I don't see why you can't call them Japanese Hummels. Ebay might disagree with me on this!
posted on August 30, 2000 08:29:13 PM new
I have to tell you this Vero baloney is the biggest pile of manure I have ever seen.
I won't get into details, but it amazes me that legitimate merchandise lawfully purchased and lawfully offered is subject to a "presumed guilty" court hearing by manufacturers who knowingly commit perjury by declaring sellers guilty without sufficient evidence. That eBay goes along with this kangaroo justice is insult to injury.
You could put something like Hum*el style.
If they shut you down for that, I'd use another venue.
posted on August 30, 2000 08:50:56 PM new
They just sent clarification, they state a total non-answer : )
Hello,
Thank you for writing. I will be happy to assist you and clarify our
position on this policy.
For Review, eBay does not permit members to list unrelated brand names
in the titles of auctions, even if the item resembles the brand name
item. This manipulates our search engine and brings members who may be
looking for a specific item (Hummel, for example) to your auctions in
error.
As a alternative, we do generally allow members to compare their item to
one other brand name in the description of an auction. This is in
regards to your question of wether this was allowed or not.
There may also be trademark issues involved. Do be advised that your
auctions may be removed if they are found to violate our trademarked
items policy, or if the trademark owner notifies us that your auctions
are infringing on their trademark though our Verified Rights Owner
(VeRO) Program. We don't want to end your auctions, but this is
something we must do if it is requested.
For more information on this policy please see the following page.
Categorization of your item is another matter. eBay leaves
categorization of auction items up to the discretion of the seller.
Unless the item is blatantly miscategorized, eBay is hesitant to move a
listing posted by a member.
As always, if you have a question or problem, please contact us and we
will gladly assist you. Thanks for using eBay!
Regards,
Jordon
eBay Community Watch Team
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posted on August 30, 2000 09:18:09 PM newjfpnatl: I'm not sure how you decided it was a "total non-answer."
"My question is, can I not use Hummel like in description, or in no way mention Hummel at all."
eBay does not permit members to list unrelated brand names in the titles of auctions ... we do generally allow members to compare their item to one other brand name in the description of an auction.
No, you can't use Hummel in the title because it's not a Hummel. You can say it's similar to Hummel figurines in the description.
"Also could I still list the item in the Hummel category?"
Unless the item is blatantly miscategorized, eBay is hesitant to move a listing posted by a member.
Seems like it's up to you to decide - but personally, I don't think "non-Hummels" should be in the "Hummel" category. Try Collectibles: Decorative: General instead if you don't want to use the Made in Japan category.
posted on August 30, 2000 09:34:28 PM new
Glenda
posted on August 30, 2000 09:18:09 PM
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jfpnatl: I'm not sure how you decided it was a "total non-answer."
They told me one thing and turned around and stated it could be cancelled again,
As a alternative, we do generally allow members to compare their item to
one other brand name in the description of an auction. This is in
regards to your question of wether this was allowed or not.
There may also be trademark issues involved. Do be advised that your
auctions may be removed if they are found to violate our trademarked
items policy, or if the trademark owner notifies us that your auctions
are infringing on their trademark though our Verified Rights Owner
(VeRO) Program. We don't want to end your auctions, but this is
something we must do if it is requested.
