feistyone
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posted on August 31, 2000 01:34:06 AM new
We recently started using the nobidding feedback site, however, this raises a question. Is the use of this site a violation of ebay feedback policy about porting feedback to other sites?
[ edited by feistyone on Aug 31, 2000 01:38 AM ]
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Spreland
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posted on August 31, 2000 08:13:21 AM new
Yes I believe this is against eBay's policy. It's against my policy to let eBay dictate where I use my feedback so when they made an issue of it I quit listing with them and moved all my auctions to Yahoo. I included my eBay feedback in all of my Yahoo auctions until I built up some feedback with Yahoo and havn't listed with eBay in over a year.<B>
A lot of sellers say they make more money with eBay and will eat any sh!t eBay dishes out. These people were born to be victims.
Any individual that pays more to list auction items, than they pay their ISP, deserve what they get.
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Glenda
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posted on August 31, 2000 08:53:18 AM new
Spreland: And you hang out in the eBay Outlook because ...??
feistyone: I'm not sure what you mean by "nobidding feedback site." Clarify please?
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yisgood
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posted on August 31, 2000 09:09:02 AM new
>>A lot of sellers say they make more money with eBay and will eat any sh!t eBay dishes out. These people were born to be victims.
Any individual that pays more to list auction items, than they pay their ISP, deserve what they get. <<
I guess I deserve what I get - lots more sales. I hate greedbay and I even boycotted them for a while, but there's no question that's where the sales are. I listed the same items on Yahoo and ebay. It usually takes a relist to get one bid on yahoo. In that same time frame I have already sold several on ebay.
By the way, I feel it's perfectly acceptable to do the following:
If I get several bids on the same item, I take the lowest acceptable bid and email everyone who bid that amount or higher and offer it to them at that price. No one has ever complained about being offered the item for less than they bid.
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vargas
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posted on August 31, 2000 10:39:32 AM new
Hi yisgood --
Do you make the same offer to the highest bidder?
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yisgood
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posted on August 31, 2000 11:04:01 AM new
I thought that's why I said. I guess it wasnt clear enough. Yes, if I offer the same item to more than 1 bidder, they all get it for the same price. So why not run a dutch auction? Simple math.
Dutch auction, 3 items: first bidder bids $10, next bidder bids $10, third bidder bids $10. I now HAVE to sell all three at $10 each and pay greedbay 3 times the fee, leaving me with no profit. I also have to reserve three items, so if someone walks into my store and I only have 3 left, I have to turn them away. Single item: First bidder bids $10, next bidder $11, next bidder $12, first bidder comes back with $13, then $14, it finally ends with bids at 13, 14 and 15. I can decide to sell one, two or three, depending on what I have on hand. Even at the lowest bid, 3 X 13 is better than 3 X 10. I only have to reserve one for auction end. I can sell to a walk in. And greedbay only gets one fee.
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amy
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posted on August 31, 2000 01:23:19 PM new
Just a simple question..one that I have been bouncing around for a while.
Why is it that we as sellers do not see ourselves as greedy when we try to get as much money as possible for an item but call ebay greedy when they try to make money?
Spreland...you said "Any individual that pays more to list auction items, than they pay their ISP, deserve what they get.
You are so right!! I deserve everything I get since I will pay ebay more this month than I pay my ISP. It's awful! My ISP is $49 a month...I owe ebay just over $400 this month. And for that $400 what did I get...sheez, only $5347 in sales!
I WAS CHEATED...BAD EBAY!!
[ edited by amy on Aug 31, 2000 01:25 PM ]
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reston_ray
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posted on August 31, 2000 01:48:09 PM new
I love eBay, both the concept and the actual process, I love the buyers and ,in particular, the sellers who have directly and indirectly, given me so much help and encouragement.
I have found all the eBay employees I have been in direct contact with to be nice people trying to do their job.
I have some substancial issues with some eBay policies and I often react strongly in any number of ways.
I am often guilty of expressing myself without making it clear that my concern is about the attitude reflected in administrative change, for which I hold the top management responsible, and not the collective eBay that includes the concept, employees and users.
Thus the apparent conflict when I can say, in the same sentence, I love eBay and eGreedy(the top mangement)is, in my opinion, deceitful, untrustworthy and destructive of the core users.
Back on topic, I came to understand that as a result of attempts to use feedback off the ebay site they have taken the position that they own the feedback and it can not be used in any way "off site" other than referring customers to eBay/your listings. I don't like it but I accept this is their position.
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Spreland
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posted on August 31, 2000 02:49:56 PM new
amy writes:
I owe ebay just over $400 this month. And for that $400 what did I get.
I WAS CHEATED...BAD EBAY!!
If you're stupid enough to pay eBay $400 for the month, you deserve what you get. EBay didn't cheat you. They tell you the listing fees and the final value fee before you list. You're naive enough to pay it. And so pathetic, you act like you're a genius because you paid $400 out of your profits because you don't know how to make money without eBay.
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feistyone
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posted on August 31, 2000 03:07:27 PM new
hmmmm.
>>"If you're stupid enough to pay eBay $400 for the month, you deserve what you get."<<
That's your opinion Im sure. You would pay more than that to rent a "brick and mortar" shop, pay electricity, ect, and you probably would not make that kind of profit.
So in escence you are saying that everyone that doesn't share your opinion is "stupid"?
Calling someone "stupid" on this forum will get you a warning from the moderators.
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avaloncourt
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posted on August 31, 2000 03:35:11 PM new
spreland go back and read amy's post again. You commented on the last 5 words (out of context) and ignored the rest of the post.
She knows exactly what the fees are because she is telling YOU that she's happy to rake in 1336% over her fees in sales.
As for calling Amy stupid, I hope the moderators tag you with a warning. That was extremely rude especially since you are the one who didn't get the point!
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Spreland
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posted on August 31, 2000 04:10:03 PM new
avalonourt;
OK, so it's obvious amy isn't exactly a genius. I didn't mean to imply that she was. Any moron can list items on eBay. But this is no reason for you and feistyone to start calling here STUPID. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Glenda
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posted on August 31, 2000 04:15:47 PM new
Spreland: But this is no reason for you and feistyone to start calling here STUPID
They were quoting YOU.
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Spreland
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posted on August 31, 2000 04:35:50 PM new
Glenda writes:
>They were quoting YOU.
It doesn't matter if they were quoting YOU.
It's still no reason to call amy STUPID or imply that she is a reject from the special olympics.
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wordgirl
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posted on August 31, 2000 04:43:25 PM new
Amy isn't exactly a genius? With $5,347 in sales? Amy and I have surely had our disagreements, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone question this woman's business sense. She is one sharp cookie, without a doubt....I'm sure posters who have been around longer than (checking) three weeks understand that.
But if you'd like it put in simple terms:
Amy thinks eBay's fees are a good deal.
I happen to agree. Free venues just don't offer the "foot" traffic you get at eBay.
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bearmom
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posted on August 31, 2000 04:50:10 PM new
I list on both Ebay and Yahoo.
Does that make me half stupid or half smart?
To each his own, everybody. Amy thinks the end (profit) justifies the means (fees). You don't. Wouldn't this forum be boring if we all agreed on everything? And wouldn't it be a friendlier forum if we could discuss issues without personal attacks?
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mzalez
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posted on August 31, 2000 04:55:26 PM new
Sooooo, what exactly is a nobidding feedback site?
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rnrgroup
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posted on August 31, 2000 05:08:07 PM new
www.feedbacksite.com
(I think this should be ok-can't see how they compete with AW in any way - I think) -Rosalinda
TAGnotes - daily email synopsis about the Online Auction Industry
http://www.egroups.com/group/TheAuctionGuildnotes
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avaloncourt
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posted on August 31, 2000 05:42:47 PM new
spreland ok apparently you are as dense as you seem in your posts. You did the name calling and everyone here is pointing this out to you. Now go away and stop being a troll.
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Spreland
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posted on August 31, 2000 05:59:20 PM new
avaloncourt writes:
>spreland ok apparently you are as dense as you seem in your posts. You did the name calling and everyone here is pointing this out to you. Now go away and stop being a troll.<
Name calling??? You mean like "dense" and "troll". Your problem is obvious.
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on August 31, 2000 06:05:43 PM new
Ah.... I think Spreland is using the classic "I'm rubber and you're glue" debating tactic. Makes me wax nostalgic.
Dr. Beetle
Nah nah nah nah nah
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shellsputer
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posted on August 31, 2000 06:27:32 PM new
Anybody notice that AMY has not dignified any of this nonsense? And you question her integrity? Hmmmmmm....
 Michelle
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Glenda
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posted on August 31, 2000 06:38:09 PM new
Back to the original question - Feistyone, if the site you are talking about is the one where you simply leave feedback that gets posted on eBay, that's not "porting" feedback. Porting feedback means putting your eBay-earned feedback on another auction site (or vice-versa), to increase the "trust" level of bidders on that site.
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marxalot
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posted on August 31, 2000 06:48:14 PM new
Spreland, please go back and read Amy's post! Everyone is having one conversation, and you seem to be having another. Just a misunderstanding!
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feistyone
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posted on August 31, 2000 09:29:56 PM new
Glenda
Actually the Feedback site keeps track of your feedback from all of the most popular auction sites. It puts it into a nice little table showing your positives, neutrals and negs from each site. It gives you the opportunity to show your customers your reputation from several sites at a glance.
This is great, however, the Ebay user agreement states that you may not use your Ebay feedback on other sites.
This is most unfortunate! I used it (the feedback site code) in our "About Me" page but I decided it would be best to remove it due to Ebay policy. Here's the link.
www.feedbacksite.com
[ edited by feistyone on Aug 31, 2000 09:32 PM ]
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Spreland
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posted on September 1, 2000 12:36:33 AM new
DoctorBeetle writes:
>Ah.... I think Spreland is using the classic "I'm rubber and you're glue" debating tactic. Makes me wax nostalgic.<
I forgot this is primarily an eBay crowd. "I'm rubber and you're glue" is obviously way over their heads. I should
have went with "I know you are but what am I" so they would have some chance of keeping up.
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