posted on December 28, 2000 05:07:55 PM new
OK, I'm po'ed. I have had mostly good experience with ebay sellers to date, but I and 20 or so others just got major ripped off for big bucks.
So, what do you find when you step back and really look at ebay once the scales have been ripped from you eyes? You find a site that is 100% concerned to bend over backwards to help, accomodate and protect the "poor sellers". These acccomodations extend to not verifying their credit cards, not verifying their banks and not even verifying their names.
And, oh whoopee! Ebay will magnamiously allow you to turn in a claim if you get ripped off, and only charge you $25.00 for the privelege of doing so!
I've had it. Unless ebay puts buyers and sellers on some kind of equal footing and mandates that sellers post some kind of surety bond or guarantee, who in their right mind will continue to do business on ebay? Not me, and not more and more people all of the time. Ebay (the corporate entity) needs to take a little responsiblity for some of these events, and find a way to stop these practices or, as another of my ripped-off collegues puts it, "ebay will become the largest thief's market in history".
The one sure thing is, the fewer buyers, the fewer sellers, the lower the stock, the fewer investors. Make this community somewhat responsible or watch it die a deserved death!
posted on December 28, 2000 05:23:27 PM new
Ah, Pocono, does that mean you don't still have the option to report non-paying buyers to ebay and not have to pay the listing fee?
Does that mean that if a seller defaults I can go to the next seller of the same product and get it from them? Last time I looked, you sellers always have the option to offer it to the next lower bidder, right?
And, do your fees run in the thousands per auction?
posted on December 28, 2000 05:42:09 PM new"OK, I'm po'ed. I have had mostly good experience with ebay sellers to date, but I and 20 or so others just got major ripped off for big bucks."
Maybe you could be a little more explicit about the alleged fraud, then this thread might be more productive for you as a buyer, and others as sellers. More information please.
It's obvious that the majority of buyers and sellers are not crooks or eBay wouldn't be making millions.
posted on December 28, 2000 05:47:35 PM newgenpactim...please forgive me, but somehow, I am not understanding which side of the fence you stand on ..Your post is not too clear...
And, do your fees run in the thousands per auction?....Say What??? Do yours????? Hard to do if you don't sell..
And no, sellers are not allowed to contact anyone to make a sale...And Ebay does NOT refund LISTING FEES...only Final Value Fees that WE pay when a BIDDER turns out to be a DEADBEAT...and everyone knows they are plentiful for some.
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posted on December 28, 2000 05:58:42 PM new
Be more specific about the ripoff? I thought that wasn't allowed, since it might damage some poor seller's reputation.
Check the news on this site for examples.
Check out "pcworks2000", completed auctions and email anyone on the sucker list of completed buyers.
Why confused? I am real unhappy that ebay hammers incessantly concerning deadbeat buyers. If a buyer defaults, even if the seller pays a listing fee it's a small percentage of the value of the product. If a seller bails, it's 100% out of pocket for the buyer, and I bet ebay gets its fee anyway.
All I am suggesting to those of you who make a living from ebay auctions, you had better find a way to offer better buyer protection or the only buyers will be the ones who don't pay you. You might have a bit of trouble calling yourselves "sellers" then, and have to change it to "suckers" instead, but I'm sure that ebay will loyally continue to write policys to please you just the same.
Incidentally, I originally joined ebay to sell, bought enough to understand how the system works and decided not to be a seller. If you don't like how ebay controls deadbeats, start a site of your own.
When the buyers are gone, there will be no sellers.
posted on December 28, 2000 06:00:05 PM new
sorry, I am not going to post a "surety bond" (whatever THAT is!) in order to list a collectible or two or ten. What do you think---everyone's a mega-corporation?
I've never ripped one person off on Ebay as a seller yet dozens of buyers have lied to me about things like "the item didn't come" "the check is in the mail" "the check is really in the mail this time" "i promise I will put the check in the mail, really, for sure, today" "my great aunt Bertha died" (funny how they can still bid on other stuff even though they are too depressed to send ME a check!) "my child was sick" (ditto---I guess bidding is less taxing than sticking a payment in an envelope) etc. etc. etc. and on and on. So I say make BUYERS pony up some "surety". From where *I* sit---YOU are the problem! Funny how everything depends on where you sit doesn't it???
posted on December 28, 2000 06:04:03 PM newWasn't this supposed to be a community
Last time I checked, NO.
These acccomodations extend to not verifying [sellers'] credit cards, not verifying their banks and not even verifying their names
I know sellers have to register with a CC (or debit card), so ebay can bill us. You can bet that if the card comes back as invalid or over limit, ebay has something to say about it.
Ebay will... allow you to turn in a claim if you get ripped off, and only charge you $25.00 for the privelege of doing so!
Ebay doesn't "charge" a claimant anything for reimbursement under its insurance program. That $25 is known as a "deductible". Read your auto insurance and 80/20 health insurance policies for more examples of deductibles.
You want to chase away sellers? Force us small-timers and hobby sellers to post "a surety bond". Personally, I guarantee all my items to be as represented.
I'm sorry you got burned, if in fact you did. Hard to tell from your fulminations. You'd get taken a lot more seriously if you merely stated the events in question rather than making ridiculous claims such as the foregoing.
Edited to add: Please show me one newspaper that provides its readers insurance against fraudulent conduct by a party listing a classified ad in its paper, one shopping mall that provides such insurance for customers of its tenants, or one ISP that does the same for purchasers of online merchandise from a "store" on its server.
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Dec 28, 2000 06:07 PM ]
posted on December 28, 2000 06:09:10 PM new
Gen, with a feedback of 100 as a buyer, you certainly should have known better then to send $1400.00 to a new seller with a zero feedback !!!
I don't understand some people...others sent this guy over $3,000.00 ??????
Sorry, but I would have spotted this with my eyes closed Gen.
posted on December 28, 2000 06:40:10 PM new
I was thinking of putting some common sense up for auction, there seems to be a serious shortage of it lately?
posted on December 29, 2000 05:02:26 AM new
I looked at these auctions too and anyone that says Bank wire transfer only I would stay a million miles from.
If they had decent feedback that would have been different but no feedback NO WAY.
Plus some of the info in the auctions serial numbers where only going to be made available to the winning bidder whixh seemed odd.
We all live and learn but it costs some people a lot more than others.
As to the Bond issue what garbage it assumes that all sellers are bad when the majority are not.
This is what feedback is for many of us here have high feedback and we have no problem bidding on each others items.
But feedback does help.O feedback 100.00 give it a try over thousands no thanks
..Your post is not too clear...
