imabrit
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posted on June 13, 2001 03:00:54 PM new
Here we go again is there nothing but negativity on here these days.
The amount of threads sayind that ebaY store fronts are a waste of time won't work etc is most annoying.
You would think that anything ebaY does to possibly increase sales for us there would be some positive vibes on it but not here.
I think the storefront is a good idea anything that can possibly allow me to sell more items at a possibly higher price is worth trying.
I would expect as is the case that there is a cost of doing business with this.Ebay is not a free ride and we should not expect it to be so.
If you feel that ebaY is costing you too much or taking away too much profit or leaving none at all then quit selling or find something more profitable to sell.
Any business out there if you cannot make enough at then you try something else or just quit but do not put the blame on others.
I welcome it and look forward to trying it.
The people who come up with this are not morons or idiots they do research on this etc.
The number of threads that people think that ebaY is owned by a bunch of idiots is annoying.
How many of you here can pioneer a new multi billion dollar industry that is a sucess not a failure.
Give ebaY some credit.
If you can do better and turn us all into multi millionaires them I am listening.
If not then give ebaY a break
Adrian
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whitemist
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posted on June 13, 2001 03:05:22 PM new
IMABRIT - best Post I have read in a very very long time -
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gravid
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posted on June 13, 2001 03:20:07 PM new
Yes Adrian - The storefront is not for me but I can see that someone else might view it as an opportunity to sell to a little different market than they were before. Buy it now has brought a different sort of buyer to some of my sales. Not every buyer is motivated solely by price.
I wanted to buy my wife a CD today and I was more interested in getting the deal wrapped up and in the mail than price but nobody was offering buy it now so I have to wait a few days.
I can see a storefront buyer wanting more choices.
While the naysayers are busy telling us why it won't work someone else is writing copy to make money with it.
[ edited by gravid on Jun 13, 2001 03:21 PM ]
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nanandme
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posted on June 13, 2001 03:25:54 PM new
IMABRIT
I definitely agree with whitemist! Thank you for saying what so many of us are thinking.
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toke
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posted on June 13, 2001 03:50:30 PM new
I guess the negativity is related to many bad experiences with eBay's past moves. Realists among us recognize that eBay only makes a change to what they perceive as their own benefit, which is certainly to be expected. The recent changes seem to be geared to the mega retailers. They're definitely not concerned about us, unless it garners them more profit. Just the way business works. This may work to our advantage...or not.
In the past...it's mostly been not. 
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jmjones6061
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posted on June 13, 2001 03:54:20 PM new
Adrian,
Well said! While I hate paying out money, and fee increases bite, it's a cost of doing business. I'm not going to get anything accomplished by whining about what won't work and why. The successful sellers will find what does work and experiment until they hit the level of success that they are comfortable with. For now, eBay provides an exposure for me on some items that I wouldn't get with any other venue. (Including B&M) And since I frequently relist an item until it sells, storefronts may be a viable alternative - after all, different buyers shop at different times - many may not check for an item they want daily, or even weekly.
Change makes the world go round....
Jane
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MrBusinessMan
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:31:58 PM new
While I'm no ebaY cheerleader and I certainly feel that many of their recent decisions will turn out in the end to be recognized as mistakes, I also believe that the Storefronts concept is a good one for buyers, sellers, AND ebaY.
The fees quoted seem very reasonable to me and I can't wait to get the opportunity to give it a whirl as the items that I sell are ideally suited for a Storefront.
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gemtrader2
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:37:50 PM new
YOU GO Adrian. The best post I have seen on here in a long time I was begining to think
that only wniners and criers where on here.
I myself own a bricks and mortor Walkin store, But I love eBay it has given me the chance to start a good mail order/ online business also. Buy it now works great for
me and I am looking forward to the store fronts. I say if they can't take the heet get out of the kitchen.
Gemtrader2
Not my ebay Name.
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amy
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:39:13 PM new
Adrian...count me in as another who agrees with you. Your post is a breath of fresh air!
I can understand critiquing something after it is officially up and running but this latest round of "ebay is bad, ebay is staffed with morons" seems to be a knee-jerk reaction and not really critical analysis at all.
Some seem to be stretching quite a bit to find things wrong with the storefronts.
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twinsoft
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:46:51 PM new
I agree with that. I like the storefronts, and they aren't expensive. Also, for the more expensive, hard-to-sell items they may be a real plus.
What's ironic is that even though I like the storefronts, I still have this "what's the catch?" feeling that comes from eBay's past dealings.
I don't like negativity either, but many of the criticisms are well-founded. Remember eBay's targeted banner ad campaign last year? A user types in "hammer" and eBay dishes up a banner ad to Ace Hardware.
I think another issue is that many users feel helpless in the face of changes. There is a lot of anxiety about what these changes will mean, and that can come out as aggression.
Many users are passionate about eBay, and while they may not express themselves well, "why don't you just leave?" may not be the best response to their concerns.
Regards.
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Online Auction Sellers Cooperative
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soldat2
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:49:02 PM new
To me it seemed as if ebay and PayPal were pretty much sharing the negativity 50-50!
For us, sure we have a few problems with some of ebays ever-changing rules but what the heck, there is nothing else out there right now. We currently have auctions going on 3 other sites and no sales, same items that are selling on ebay!
Again yesterday ebay bidders amazed me by running a $9.99 item to $59.00 in the last few moments! (and the $$, minus the 2.2%, is already on our PP account)
I ain't complaining today!
(tomorrow however is another day........)
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imabrit
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:55:50 PM new
I am not happy with what has been happening on ebaY either but I adjust with it and thats how you survive adjust,adjust,adjust.
Here is my story to just to help understand where I am coming from.
I habe been selling on ebaY since 1997 and realised it was great opportunity to start a business.I was also a car salesman at tha time and good at it too.
Anyway I sold on there for a year to test the waters and liked what I saw so 2 yeara ago I jacked in my job and just started selling on ebaY.This was our familys only source of income.
In the first year I had 250,000 in sales and made 60,000.Not bad but noticed that it was getting more difficult,more competition that I expected,increase in fees etc.
I also found that certain items no longer sold as well as they did.So I quit buying them and went looking for something else.
Did great for a while then the same thing would happen and I would quit selling it and try something different.
Every once in a while I would check to see if there was a better demand for what I used to sell if so I sold it again.
By the end of last year my sales where down too 175,000 but my profit was the same.I listed items that where cheaper but could be listd over and over again quite quickly.
At the beginning of this year it was getting even harder and the roller coaster ride was driving me crazy.
So I decided well looks like ebaY is no longer the place for me to make a decent living like before.
I could have whined and moaned about it so I decided to get back into sales on a part time basis.Now I sell swimming pools for a local pool building co thats 5 mins away from here.
They email me the leads and I sell them.At the same time I do ebaY still.It works but its hard.
Now if ebaY ever really picks up again I can quit what I am doing and just do that.If it goes down the river then I quit this and do sales full time.
Okay point is you have to adjust and I like the idea of the storefront as I have used BIN just fine.I get 100 or more a week in sales off of it.
I have sold off my web site not much though and even have an AW storefront.Sold just one item through it.
With ebaY there is a difference its a well known name and I think it will work much better than other store fronts.
I think what they are asking is fair and I plan to list items on ebaY then use the storefront and price just a few dollars higher.
I have multiples of all items so thats good.
If it can generate more sales then thats great,I never have carried large amounts of inventory and always worked to get my money back a.s.a.p. even by splitting items I bought with other sellers.
Was not try to bore anyone or boast but thats the way I see it.
Adrian
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imabrit
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posted on June 13, 2001 04:59:38 PM new
Sorry that sounded dis jointed but my wife is beckoning me onto the lanai and I my son is waiting for me to swim in our pool with him.
So later
Adrian
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deco100
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posted on June 13, 2001 05:21:41 PM new
It'll work for some and it won't for others, just like everything else.
My biggest concern is will they be able to keep the site up with this expansion when they are having trouble now.
Anyway, you need a good laugh, so you should go read my post below entitled "I Couldn't resist...!"
I tongue in cheek asked if I could pay my ebay bill with Paypal. Yikes! Course, I admit I have a rather warped sense of humor!
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whynot
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posted on June 13, 2001 10:26:40 PM new
Well said Adrian,
eBay in my eyes is simply the best value out there for traffic sales on the net. The new storefronts will be wonderful for sales.
Negative alley is underfoot all around America so perhaps you are unware?
Here people dont tend to say "My oh my what a beautiful day it is!!!!"
Instead its, "Geez... gonna rain tomorrow"
Or... "Man there have been so many great things on The History Channel and Discovery etc. this month!"
Its, "Damned cable people $50 a month for what!" (while their face is glued to the tube 6 hours a day.
Or one of my personal favorites...
"They cant keep hurting the environment..." Followed later in the day by "Damn gas prices up again!" followed later by "Perhaps I better buy a new car thats more gas efficient?"....
Thats american thinking 
Concern! Justify! Spend!
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reddeer
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posted on June 13, 2001 10:36:12 PM new
In the top 80 threads on AW [first 2 pages] I counted all of FIVE threads regarding the new storefronts.
WoW
I imagine the store fronts will work well for "some" sellers, but personally I found them to be poorly designed.
JMHO, like it or lump it.
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bkkofaz
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posted on June 13, 2001 11:11:01 PM new
Hats off to you, Adrian!!!
You have the right attitude to continue to succeed in life! Nothing in life is perfect, including eBay. What you get out of life is what you are willing to make of it! To put it into perspective, without eBay, I don't know if I would have an internet business at all. To have the opportunity to run a successful on-line business without any real computer or business knowledge or skills is something many sellers take for granted.
Storefronts will work for those who are willing to figure out how.
Best of luck to everyone!
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quickdraw29
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posted on June 13, 2001 11:26:00 PM new
Storefronts have as good a chance at success as much as NASA has at making it to the moon. Why? Because BIN has the synergy already going for it for those who want retail pricing and a quick buy. Sometimes negative thoughts brings us down to more realistic levels.
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soldat2
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posted on June 14, 2001 05:22:48 AM new
>Anyway I sold on there for a year to test the waters and liked what I saw so 2 yeara ago I jacked in my job and just started selling on ebaY.This was our familys only source of income. <
imabrit
I am often asked why I do not do ebay as a profession and the old "Never give up your day job" keeps me in line.
>Sometimes negative thoughts brings us down to more realistic levels<
quickdraw29
Exactly! Every now and again you'll find a pit in that cherry.
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imabrit
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posted on June 14, 2001 05:34:13 AM new
Soldat2
I do not regret what we did I have been around in my sons life everyday for over 2 years,always accesable.
It has allowed us to move out of state and meet new friends.
Plus in sales I can go wherever I want and pick up a job tomorrow so there is no concern there.
Adrian
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gravid
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posted on June 14, 2001 06:33:29 AM new
I can tell you don't live to work Adrian - good for you.
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reston_ray
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posted on June 14, 2001 07:22:04 AM new
Time will tell how the storefronts work out for sellers who use them.
The question of negativity toward eBay is much more complex.
I recall a time when there where major negative concerns expressed about the direction the USA was taking on some major issues.
A response developed that was summed up in the statement "America, Love It or Leave It".
Fortunatly most people found a middle ground. They stayed, continued to love it, realized that there were some major problems and worked to make changes.
I hope and believe that will happen for and by us with regards to both eBay and the entire online marketing opportunity for small independent sellers.
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