greeneyedgrrl
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posted on April 23, 2002 07:29:59 PM new
Hi all--
Do you remember the old yard dart game called JARTS? I guess it was pulled off the market years ago because it was too dangerous...
I found a set at a yard sale that I would love to list, but it seems like eBay always yanks the listings or people just use buy-it-now.
Does anyone know if there's an eBay acceptible way to list the item? I would rather see the auction unfold than set a buy-it-now price. What can I say? I'm a college girl who does this for extra cash...I enjoy the chase!!!
Thanks for your help!
Is there a way to
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sulyn1950
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posted on April 23, 2002 07:43:16 PM new
It's my understanding they cannot be sold anywhere legally...not even a yard sale! However, I don't think they police yard sales so if you are in the market for a set of Jarts, your best bet is to look at garage/yard sales.
I just don't think you'll find a way to sell them on eBay without more than likely getting them canned.
Sorry.
[ edited by sulyn1950 on Apr 23, 2002 07:46 PM ]
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kiddo2
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posted on April 23, 2002 07:50:01 PM new
NO...THERE IS NOT...ANOTHER OF eBAYS SILLY RULES! They bring good money as a collectable..uppance of 100.00! Try Yahoo, probably not as good as the Ebay site for price getting but at least my Jarts/Lawn Darts did not get pulled..BTW...they pulled my 1960 corningware electric coffee pot, too...another illegal! Go figure, I had one for years and loved it with no problems..Yea, the darts can be dangerous to drunks and idiots and unsupervised innocent children...still boils down to drunks or idiots that can not watch their kids! It is an ADULT game...says so on the box! Oh well Ebay Nader will not budge.."they" are not the ones selling the items, "we" are. They are just "venders"...yea right...Good Luck with your much sought after collectable vintage Jarts ADULT game 
kiddo2
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logansdad
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posted on April 23, 2002 08:49:00 PM new
"BTW...they pulled my 1960 corningware electric coffee pot, too...another illegal"
Didnt you know it was an illegal item? You could bid on the item and win. Then make a pot of coffee, pour some in your cup, accidently spill the scalding coffee on yourself and end up suing ebay.
Yes they are only a venue but they dont want the potential liability --- Ebay Philosophy 101 by Meg Whitman.
Sorry kiddo, it was just to good to pass up. I would love to know ebay's reasoning behind cancelling that auction.
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sparkz
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posted on April 23, 2002 09:31:49 PM new
It is illegal to sell any item that has been recalled by the CPSC for safety defects. The Corning coffee maker is a recalled item. I wasn't aware of that until someone posted here about a year ago after finding out the hard way.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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Libra63
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posted on April 23, 2002 09:58:15 PM new
We just had a case in Wisconsin with the lawn jarts. Two kids were playing in their back yard throwing them and a toddler walked between them and yes she got hit in the head. She survived with only a cut to her head, but she was rushed to the hospital with the jart still in her head. No adult supervision around, but still the mother is blaming the jarts. As someone above said no parential supervision. Where did the adult brains go. It's like the first lawn cutting with the power mowers. Grass get caught, man puts fingers in to pull out grass and off go the finger tips. Will we ever learn...
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docpjw
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posted on April 23, 2002 10:44:20 PM new
You could "MAYBE" list it as " RARE Lawn Game from the 70's Tough to Find!! " DO NOT MENTION Jarts Anywhere in the Description (and of Course Title), and add a Significant "But it Now" Price. Start it at what you Paid for it. 
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technerd
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posted on April 23, 2002 11:41:39 PM new
I have seen 2 methods people use that let Ebay Jart auctions go to completion.
1. Some people say they are only selling the plastic fins, but they haven't got around to detaching them, yet. Their picture shows everything complete. They have their E-mail address there and they say that people should E-mail them if they have any questions.
I have seen a lot of Jart auctions go to completion on eBay that way.
2. One person put whiffle golf balls on the tips and said these were modified safety Jarts. His picture showed a little whiffle golf ball on the tip of each Jart. The auction went to completion.
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dixiebee
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posted on April 24, 2002 03:48:04 AM new
I have sold several sets of Jarts over the years but not on eBay. I was using Yahoo. Yahoo has implemented some sort of filter that keeps me from listing them. I tried to re-write the ad 10 times to no avail. However there are/were several auctions over there for Jarts but I couldn't figure out how they got through the system. I decided to give up as it wasn't worth the hassle.
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tomwiii
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posted on April 24, 2002 05:54:47 AM new
Can give ya a good deal on a Chevy Corvair Monza!!
NOT TO MENTION my BESTEST stinko car of all time: 1976 Chevy Vega Station Wagon!
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Libra63
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posted on April 24, 2002 07:11:45 AM new
tomwiii I had one of those Chevy Corvairs and loved it. I don't know if you remember the big snow storm of 1968 in Chicago. Well, the Corvairs were about the only cars that could get around because of the rear engine.
Well back to Jarts. I know that they make good money and all but why would you want to sell it and know it could be a potential killer. I know that is a little strong worded but if it was me I would just throw it away so nobody can get at it. My opinion.
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Damariscotta
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posted on April 24, 2002 07:48:15 AM new
I can't imagine anyone buying one of these for other than collectible interest, but in the event someone was brain-dead enough to use it, and there was an injury, you might consider that they would come after the seller in the lawsuit as well.
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mlecher
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posted on April 24, 2002 07:55:10 AM new
So what you are asking everyone is....HOW DO I COMMIT A FELONY.
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twinsoft
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posted on April 24, 2002 08:30:51 AM new
I hope the folks posting ideas on how to circumvent eBay's rules don't post here under their selling IDs. eBay reads these posts and members have been suspended for comments made on AW. Get rid of the jarts. Why would you want to sell a hazardous toy as a collectible? There will be other opportunities.
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kiara
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posted on April 24, 2002 08:45:30 AM new
A Powerseller recently had their selling account suspended by ebay for relisting lawn darts. ebay may not be checking the auctions but you can bet some of your competition or a netcop may, and they will report it.
Ask yourself if it is worth the hassle or if you want the possibility of a future lawsuit hanging over your head for such a small amount of money.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 24, 2002 08:53:25 AM new
Three children were killed by lawn darts before they were banned in the United States about 14 years ago. That's something to consider carefully before reselling this item anywhere. I would vote to take them straight to the trash.
Helen
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greeneyedgrrl
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posted on April 24, 2002 09:57:27 AM new
Ok....
A great big thank you to all of you who gave me their opinion in a nonjudgmental way.
To all of the others, well...
I got to school here in Northern AZ. I am 22 years old---I had never seen <i>Jarts</i> before! I just did a little back research on eBay to see what I had and then that's when I saw that people were having problems. I had seen it mentioned that they were taken off of the market for being unsafe...I was <i>not</i> aware that children had been killed.
I was just looking for information...I like to educate myself before selling an item.
In conclusion, if some of you would like to be hostile with me, think of me as an unwitting college kid, <i>not</i> a money hungry felon or something of the like.
I'm sorry if it came across the wrong way, but I just wanted to find out what the story was with the other listings...I hadn't even decided if I'm going to sell them anywhere at anytime.
Again, thanks to all of the friendly responses! It's really nice to have someone to refer these questions to. I didn't want to get anyone in trouble!
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trai
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posted on April 24, 2002 10:12:32 AM new
"In conclusion, if some of you would like to be hostile with me, think of me as an unwitting college kid, <i>not</i> a money hungry felon or something of the like."
I do not think that any poster came across as "hostile" to you.
Most gave you good advice as why you can not sell these items on ebay.
There are even baby cribs
0s that where recalled and you can not sell those on ebay or yard sales.
If something goes wrong, then the seller can wind up on the other end of a lawsuit.
[ edited by trai on Apr 24, 2002 10:20 AM ]
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kiddo2
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posted on April 24, 2002 10:27:33 AM new
Has anyone ever thought that....
these "killer" jarts should have been bought back by the manufacturer??? Leaving the responsibility to John Q Public NOT to sell them is ludicrous! The rare and forbidden collectables make!
And I am sorry, I dearly love children, I have 3 of my own and 8 grandchildren, neices & nephews and neighbor kids.. and I watch them like a hawk, where they go and who they are with and what they are doing..and yes, there can still be accidents....but most children have never even seen the 40 year old jarts! Yet children get hurt and maimed all the time by other "killer" items not recalled...such as roller blades and trampolines and lo, the common bicyle..on & on...baseballs & bats...the game of football and other sports...poisons in the kitchen..GUNS!..jack knives..streets, steps, swimming pools..booze...dart BOARD darts, dog attacks..prescription drugs as well as the illegal...more?? oh yes, much more...will you ban them all??? But the horrendous jarts and the corningware coffee pot must be among the worst offenders...I wish I could sell common sense by the bottle, I would be rich RICH, RICH!!!! but I had better put it in a padded unbreakable, unbendable, untwistable container so it does not end up on the Americas most goody two shoes corporate wargames list! I think I will also invent a large pea brain disposal, a little common sense might keep it busy.
Yes, "Virginia", there is a Santa Claus and NO you are not a felonist for asking a question!
Of all the inconsistancies and injustices in the world, I guess banishing jarts from the face of the earth would cure it all.
In closing, aw, just forget it...
kiddo2
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mlecher
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posted on April 24, 2002 12:10:31 PM new
Yes, us judgemental people are dumb and idiotic. You claimed you were ignorant of the facts about Jarts, yet, in your first post you asked how to GET AWAY WITH POSTING THEM because you KNEW the issues about them. Yeah, we are to stupid to have seen that.
The only unwitting college kid thing you post what you knew first, THEN, post you were ignorant of what you just posted.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 24, 2002 12:36:00 PM new
kiddo2
I understand exactly what you are saying! It's a wonder we survived childhood.
But the problem here is what to do after the product has been banned by the CSPS and where do we go from that point. Circumventing Ebay's rules and selling banned products may lead to serious problems for the seller.
BTW, I believe that everyone here replied to be helpful...not hostile.
CSPS Bans Lawn Darts
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greeneyedgrrl
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posted on April 24, 2002 01:28:38 PM new
**kiddo**--cheers
I don't want to argue semantics...I just need to remember that vocal intonation sometimes doesn't come across well in pixel-form.
At any rate, I had heard that they were pulled off, and now I know why! And I now know that they cannot be sold anywhere ever. So I learned what I needed to...and you have my assurance that they will never *ever* be sold.
Oh, and **helenjw**, thank you for the link! Very helpful.
Thanks again for the warnings/information.
-greeneyedgrrl (who's going back to lurking after an eventful first post  )
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