Libra63
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posted on February 24, 2003 11:15:58 AM new
Can anyone date this clasp for me. I know I have it in one of my books but I just can't find it. Also does anyone know if in the victorian area did they have bussel pins and collar pins? Thank you in advance
[ edited by Libra63 on Feb 24, 2003 11:18 AM ]
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jensmome
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posted on February 24, 2003 11:20:34 AM new
It's called a "C" clasp. I think it's pre WWI but I'm not an expert. Just what I can recall from Antiques Roadshow. Go into Search and run a category search for c clasp.
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CBlev65252
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posted on February 24, 2003 12:20:52 PM new
Here is a good site for jewelry answers:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/jewel/glossary/indexc.shtml
or you can try this one:
http://www.angelfire.com/ab2/zoe/jjblinks.html
Cheryl
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kiara
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posted on February 24, 2003 01:44:19 PM new
Thanks lots, Cheryl.
I had the first one but not the other one and there is a ton of info there. 
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labelle
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posted on February 24, 2003 04:48:21 PM new
Yes that is a C-clasp-but -what may date your piece as being Victorian is if the pin on the closure extends beyond the edge of the brooch and can be seen from the front.. If it can--it is Edwardian or older. This is a rule of thumb.
C clasps were often used through the 40's. And on cheap pins--like Kid's jewelery even in the 70's that I know of..
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Libra63
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posted on February 24, 2003 05:56:10 PM new
Here is the back of the brooch and the pin sticks out 3/8's of an inch passed the C Clasp.
I'll post a picture of the front next so you can see the pretty pin.
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Libra63
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posted on February 24, 2003 06:00:18 PM new
It looks like the pieces are all inlay and it is very heavy. I have been told the stones are faux garnets but I kind of doubt that and brass is probably the setting.
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kiara
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posted on February 24, 2003 06:18:46 PM new
It's beautiful! It looks like the ultimate in mosaic, not sure if it is Italian or not. How long is it?
Some of the mosaics were done with genuine garnets, not faux. Do the stones have any bubbles in them when you look at them under a loupe?
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LADYJEWELS2000
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posted on February 24, 2003 07:13:20 PM new
Hello
In my opinion, it is without a doubt, a Victorian bar pin. Wonderful piece and look like they are real garnet to me by the cut. Italian most likely but maybe Scottish or even English. Worth having a expert look at it.
Good luck - it should do well.
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Libra63
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posted on February 24, 2003 07:25:24 PM new
It's 3 inches in length and 7/8" inches wide. Look in the brown in the middle. Are those bubbles in there?
This is the first time I really looked at it and the ?garnets are pointed,(I thought they were round) like upside down in the holder. It really needs a good cleaning but I am not going to touch it. Who appraises something like this do you know. I think it is a corset pin because it is so heavy, it weighs 1/2oz. I doubt if it is a collar pin. If I list is should I put a high reserve on it and see what it gets? Any suggestions would be helpful. I
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LADYJEWELS2000
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posted on February 25, 2003 03:54:16 AM new
Yeah it's a bit long for a bar pin - maybe a sash pin or corset pin.
I don't want to get your hopes up too much but the brass maybe a low kt gold in need of cleaning. I have found this a lot in Victorian jewelry. They use 8 or 9 kt gold sometime and it will turn a brass color.
It may even be higher gold.
If you can find a jeweler that can test the gold for you, that will be a start. It's a little hard to find someone that would have the low kt test kit. Of course the higher the better but even brass is nice in Victorian. They can probably look at the stones and tell you what they are and tell you if it's worth having appraised. Most jewelers won't even charge for this service.
Please keep us posted.
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