vidpro2
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posted on May 12, 2003 06:11:14 AM new
http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=65878
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amber
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posted on May 12, 2003 06:42:19 AM new
How sad, it sure makes true the saying "crime doesn't pay", there are losers all the way around. All the buyers on eBay who lost thousands, a wife has lost a husband, and at least one child has lost a father. It seems that people think that being on the internet makes you anonymous, but it sure doesn't, people are found out, and the consequences can be severe.
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reamond
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posted on May 12, 2003 07:27:20 AM new
eBay is reluctant, for business reasons, to acknowledge the fraud that goes on at both Paypal and eBay, and to spend the money to stem the fraud.
The article also reveals that eBay's fraud statistics are probably greatly under reported.
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Damariscotta
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posted on May 12, 2003 07:41:46 AM new
..... a wife has lost a husband, and at least one child has lost a father.....
Not much of a loss IMO
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neglus
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posted on May 12, 2003 07:50:49 AM new
I agree with Amber - a very tragic end to this story! I have to admit I clicked on the thread hoping to get some "dirt" on these people we have been watching the past couple of months...but feel very sad that it ended this way!
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trai
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posted on May 12, 2003 07:54:00 AM new
Not much of a loss IMO
I agree, no loss here. The day will come when ebay will no longer be able to hide behind the b.s. line "we are only a venue"
They make it too easy for scam artists to operate on their site even when the complaints come in by the hundreds.
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lindajean
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posted on May 12, 2003 08:53:36 AM new
So, if I read that right, Ebay's protection isn't worth anything? I thought you could file a claim and recoup anything over something like $25? Was I dreaming about them having Fraud insurance?
Edited to add: And, anyone can rescind a paypal payment up to 72 hours after it is made? How is that done? I have used Paypal since day 1 and I didn't know they had a way of doing that. Anyone had problems with a buyer rescinding payment after item was shipped?
[ edited by lindajean on May 12, 2003 08:55 AM ]
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pointy
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posted on May 12, 2003 08:56:03 AM new
What is this in the story about being able to rescind a PayPal payment within 72 hours. Huh? Am I missing something?
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 09:22:34 AM new
The only time I know of that payment can be rescinded is if the recipient is not a member when you send the payment. Once they register and accept payment though - the window closes.
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fetish128
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posted on May 12, 2003 09:46:18 AM new
I once had a newbe deposit, Great! Then two minutes later it was taken OUT! What!!!! Then he deposited it again. Then took it out? Finally it stayed. Nervious ever since. I really think he was testing the system and just happened it was me. It WORKED! there was no problem in the end BUT! Well now you know.
Whhhhhhiiiip It! Snnnnaaaap IT! Snap! snap! snap! ooooo!
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 09:47:30 AM new
i have not heard of 72 hours,but paypal seller protection said timely shipment aka within 7 days after payment is received.
i know of one case which was posted here,seller relies on dropshipment and the dropshipper did not ship in 7 days,it was more like 10-14 days and the buyer filed complaint and got his money back,then got his goods as well.
i think this is a buyer who knows too well how paypal works,file complaint early,7 days gone by and seller cannot produce online trackable dc as her dropshipper has not shipped yet,so she lost .
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 10:29:15 AM new
Stop - they say 7 days but they do not enforce it. I had a customer hose original shipment was lost. We waited 3 weeks - no shipment. I reshipped and the day after I notified her of the reshipment she filed with PayPal. I gave them the delivery confirmation number and after about a week they refused her chargeback.
7 days is a standard but the only real deadline is the 30 day one which they were avoiding with the dropp shipment date being at the end of the 30 days.
[ edited by neonmania on May 12, 2003 10:29 AM ]
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 10:36:05 AM new
neo,
your case is that your buyer did not file complaint soon enough .
she filed 3 weeks or more after her payment and you will able to produce the dc.
you said the first shipment was lost,was there a dc ??
if she has filed complaint early and you cant produce the dc of first shipment,you lose.
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 10:46:47 AM new
Stop - you have 10 days to answer the complaint and if at anytime you give them a DC they just extend it until it shows that the package has been delivered. they do nt enforce the 7 days. and no, there was no DC on the first shipment.
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 10:51:11 AM new
the last time i was at paypal site reading seller protection and time frame to respond to buyer complaint,i think it is like 7 days ,not 10 days and if buyer has filed chargeback,the number of days is shortened to like 3 days.
the usps dc is a cheap way of protecting your self if you sell anything over 10 dollars.
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pointy
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posted on May 12, 2003 12:53:43 PM new
Have you people who have responded taken the time to READ the story and do you UNDERSTSAND the English language. The story clearly and simply says:
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>"After the vehicles were in the possession of the Drekslers, they rescinded payment, which PayPal allows within 72 hours of completion of the transaction."
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Now, is this allowed, or is this a case of inaccurate reporting?
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on May 12, 2003 01:19:03 PM new
According to a Flagstaff police report filed March 17, Flagstaff resident Michael Shenandoah reported that he sold the Drekslers, who were using aliases, his 1995 Nissan Pathfinder for $8,350. The Drekslers paid through PayPal.
"He had a PayPal account and I had a PayPal account," Shenandoah said. "He transferred the money from his account on my computer. He had over $11,000. He paid $8,350 to my account. We turned to my account, and there was the money."
Once Shenandoah confirmed the money had gone into his PayPal account, he turned over the Pathfinder. Days later, when he went to transfer the money from PayPal to his regular bank account, he found the money gone.
PayPal did not reimburse him.
That's scary.
[ edited by ebayauctionguy on May 12, 2003 01:20 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 01:23:41 PM new
Pointy - if you took the time to READ rather than post your poisoned jabs you would have read this reply from me
The only time I know of that payment can be rescinded is if the recipient is not a member when you send the payment. Once they register and accept payment though - the window closes.
Whiich was cunningly hidden DIRECTLY UNDER your initial question.
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 01:25:20 PM new
The only way that I can figure out that this transaction was reversed would be that PayPal themselves reversed the transaction citing fraudulently aquired funds.
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:24:53 PM new
the money transfer from one paypal account to another is done ON THE SAME PC.
could it be possible the buyer went home and complain that someone hijacked his password and transfer money from his account to another account??see,it is done on same pc??
whoever did it on that pc is a crook,bla bla bla.
so paypal reveresed the charge and stays mum.like cops stay mum wathcing a thief for his next move/
if paypal thinks this is fraud,it is not going to send out email saying we just reverse payment ??
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:28:39 PM new
this is scary,how can the seller prove that the buyer was just here and used my pc to transfer money to my account??
buyer has the title to the car,put on your thinking cap,now what can the seller do??
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:34:51 PM new
Stop I actually doubt it was done that was - more than likely when PayPal shut down the account due to complaints and chargebacks they pulled as much of the fraudulently aquired but already funds back as possible to facilitate the refunds.
There is an email sent to the person. whose account the transaction is reversed on informing them of the reversal and the reason.
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lindajean
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:35:52 PM new
But, the article clearly states:
"they rescinded payment, which PayPal allows within 72 hours of completion of the transaction".
How do we find out if that is Paypal policy? I have made many many paypal payments, and have never seen the obtion to rescind my payment.
Does Paypal fall under the "sales at home" law where buyers have 72 hours to change their mind about a sale and, therefore, must allow reversals?
If so, how did these people find out about it and what protection do any of us have against it?
Someone, please, a straight forward answer...can anyone rescind payments within 72 hours of completion as the article says?
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:35:54 PM new
In answer to what the seller can do? Absolutely nothing thru PayPal. The have to pursue reimbursement in civil court on the basis of fraud.
[ edited by neonmania on May 12, 2003 02:36 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:39:41 PM new
Paypal's TOS has been dissected ad nauseum on these boards. Has a single person EVER had a buyer rescind a payment? Ever heard a single incident of a buyer doing this OTHER than in this story? It's bad reporting and nothing else. If your are really that worried... why come here - why not read the TOS yourself.
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:47:15 PM new
this is possible,since there are so many chargebacks and complaints of the dreseller account,any fund sent out will be reversed by paypal.
so they got the pathfinder,free.,what a sad ending,died in the stolen pathefinder.
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 02:55:01 PM new
this morning i hit the refund button and returned a payment from a bidder who provided a non confirmed address and did not want insurance.
we sellers have certain number of days to use the refund button to refund,but i dont see any buyer rescinding payment within 72 hours,what is the paypal feature or button which allow buyer to rescind??
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 03:07:45 PM new
we can cancel a payment if it is made to unconfirmed email address,
we can report unauthorised transaction to paypal using the special form online.
nowhere does it mention 72 hours.
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neonmania
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posted on May 12, 2003 03:31:52 PM new
Stop - STOP... you are losing it! : )
Just to put yours and others minds at ease I called ebays customer service department, spoke with a lovely woman immediately who confirmed that the statement is false and that it is not possible for buyers to rescind payments in the first 72 hours.
Now breath!!
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stopwhining
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posted on May 12, 2003 03:43:31 PM new
thanks ,now i can go and shop for a lexus on ebay and pay with my paypal fund.
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