posted on June 11, 2003 04:22:59 PM new
I don't see why not as long as you haven't listed them on eBay already. If you've listed them and then end the auction to sell I think that could be seen as fee avoidance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I've sold outside of eBay before. Usually when an auction has ended and someone emails with an interest in the item.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 11, 2003 04:39:52 PM new
The product listed on Sunday. This is Wednesday.
What's fee avoidance?
How would they know?
would it be better to let the auction end and just pay the fee?
If I close the auction won't they ask me why?
posted on June 11, 2003 04:43:35 PM new
You should leave it run. Fee avoidance would be if you end the listing to sell off eBay, you wouldn't have to pay the final valuation fee. Trust me, they know. Tell this person that they should bid on the item or wait to see if it sells. If not, you'll contact them by email to make an offer. You could be setting yourself up to be ripped off. How do you know it won't go higher than this person wants to pay? I'm leary when people want me to end an auction early. I don't do it. You've already paid the listing fees so just let it run. Better safe than sorry.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 11, 2003 04:48:53 PM new
If it's about a Yahoo auction, you should go to the Yahoo auction board. I don't know anything about the rules at Yahoo.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 11, 2003 04:54:06 PM new
Leave both run. If he wants it bad enough, he will bid on it or wait for it to end and then buy it. Stick to your guns that shipping isn't included in the price. I'd be leary about all of this. If he uses a CC at Paypal, he can do a chargeback and you'll potentially be stuck. Find out why he can't or won't bid. Has he been NARU'd from eBay?
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 11, 2003 04:55:45 PM new
How do I find out his NARU (what's that?)
I just emailed him, told him the item was at Yahoo for $40, the same he wants to pay.
That I don't want to end the auction because of avoidance fees. Good advice you gave me.
posted on June 11, 2003 04:58:34 PM new
If you end the auction early you are violating eBay policies and could be sanctioned. Not saying you would be, but you could be. Remember, eBay owns Paypal, so who knows what they're watching or how they monitor activity, especially in a troublesome area like adult-oriented material.
You are also running a slight risk in that neither you nor your buyer will be able to leave feedback after this transaction. Neither of you has any protection in that regard.
On the shipping issue - that's up to you. If you want to give the guy a break go ahead.
We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are.
------------The Talmud
posted on June 11, 2003 05:03:31 PM new
I just emailed him, told him to go to Yahoo for the product. I can lessen the shipping cost, but like you two advised, I don't know this guy or what he could do online.
It's better to go through a auction site so I have some protection.
posted on June 11, 2003 05:06:15 PM new
You may just have to ask him why he doesn't want to bid on eBay. In order to find out if he's a NARU (not a registered user - aka kicked off) from eBay, you'd have to know his eBay ID. This all sounds just a bit too suspicious to me. I know that you want to sell your product (don't we all) but I'd hold off until the auction is over and then I'd ask for a money order from the guy.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 11, 2003 05:14:47 PM new
You already have two bids on the item.
I wouldn't cancell.
There must be a reason he don't bid: NARU,Underage?
Not good!
posted on June 11, 2003 05:22:49 PM new
Ah-hah! Could be underage. But underage don't use laserdiscs. I suspect he's a laserdisc holder, won't let go of the technology. Older people have LDs.
I have 2 bids for 50cents over the minimum -- not good! No bids on Yahoo.
posted on June 11, 2003 05:25:48 PM new
Remember, most people wait until the final hours of an auction to bid! I have gone to sleep the night before my auctions end only to wake up to a lot more bids on my auctions.
Did you do research on Yahoo to find out if your items will sell there? I don't sell on Yahoo because my results were never very good.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 11, 2003 11:28:57 PM new
Okay got two problems:
1) Today Ebay will NOT accept paypal for Adult Material
How is this guy supposed to pay me if Ebay won't accept Paypal?
2) He doesn't want to do Yahoo, says it's too complicated and he doesnt want to set up a Yahoo wallet, I don't blame him. So I'm going to cancel Yahoo and Ebay.
Now if I relist it, Ebay is going to charge me AGAIN. This is complicated.
Boy oh boy, what a mess!
[ edited by LiW48 on Jun 11, 2003 11:42 PM ]
[ edited by LiW48 on Jun 11, 2003 11:48 PM ]
posted on June 12, 2003 12:07:11 AM new
The Live Help person told me I have 24 hours before Paypal is not an option.
I cancelled all the auctions at Yahoo and Ebay. This is complicated.
I prefer Half.com, where I have 2 other laserdiscs. The only reason I didn't do Half.com is because there is NO ISBN for the laserdisc. I searched and searched and couldn't find an ISBN.
However, next time, I will list as Auction, a Reserve and a BUY IT NOW.
I realize it may cost more money, but it will eliminate something like this.
Now another question: Buyer wants me to pay for shipping. This is a good $5 shipping product by USPS, and I've already lost money listing at both sites and then relisting at Ebay.
Next question: If I don't relist it won't Ebay KNOW I sold it to the owner; because I was talking to LIVE HELP and there's a transcript? Can they charge me if I don't relist it.
Boy oh boy this is complicated.
What's your advise? Thanks.
[ edited by LiW48 on Jun 12, 2003 12:08 AM ]
[ edited by LiW48 on Jun 12, 2003 12:15 AM ]
posted on June 12, 2003 12:15:50 AM new
Your buyer is trying to take advantage of you. Never, ever let a buyer dictate the terms of your auction. If you have already lost money why lose even more?
As a seller you are in control, you can be nice but remember you are doing all this work to hopefully make a bit of profit.
My other advice is to hang out here a bit more and learn about selling on ebay or you'll end up losing more money than you have already.
posted on June 12, 2003 12:18:59 AM new
How long do you want to sell on Ebay?
If you get caught you may get suspended. I personally wouldn't do it. And, I have NEVER paid shipping on any of my items.
When I get these type emails (and we all get them) I just tell them that many people chose to bid at the last minute. Since the auction has been running a day, two days or whatever, there may be people who are watching it and I would not feel comfortable ending it without them having a chance to bid.
If this person really wants your item, he will bid.
posted on June 12, 2003 12:22:34 AM new
Thanks all.
That's why Auction + BUY IT NOW is the better option.
With BUY IT NOW I can change the price; with the Auction, it seems I have to cancel and relist, cancel and relist.
Regardless of what happens I'm sure Ebay has figured it out. If I cancel, talk to Live Help, and the seller pays me through Paypal, and I don't relist -- oh yeah, Ebay has it figured out. So whatever, if they suspend me, I'll find another way to sell. I think this Vendio is a good deal, especially if Half.com closes.I'm going to miss Half.com.
Man that sucks.
[ edited by LiW48 on Jun 12, 2003 12:29 AM ]
[ edited by LiW48 on Jun 12, 2003 12:40 AM ]
posted on June 12, 2003 03:05:46 AM new
Vendio is not an auction, if that is what you are refering to. As far as selling on another auction site, that's your privilige. However, as I'm sure a lot of us have found out, eBay is the largest one out there and gets far more hits than any other. I wish you luck either way.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 12, 2003 05:03:08 AM new
Why would you be cancelling and relisting multiple times? Wouldn't you just do the following?
1) Research what you're selling - prices it's sold for in the past and how many are already up on eBay...
2) Describe it well, and set a price of what you will accept as a minimum bid should only one person want it and there is no competitive bidding...
3) Set your shipping costs and list them (man do I hate it when a seller doesn't do that in advance and makes you wonder, try to figure it out for yourself, or write to them to ask -- then they don't reply with the question I ask in the e-mail and I have to figure out who is responding - since I had to ask several what the heck their shipping costs were!)
4) Wait it out - If you have no bids or little traffic, adjust the title, maybe lower (or raise) your price or add another category...
5) If someone bids - thank them, accept their money, ship the item, leave appropriately positive feedback.
6) If no one bids, relist it - modify the start time, the price, the category, the title -- It's sorta like fishing. If nothing bites, reworm the hook and cast the line back in...
I can't understand all of this talk about cancelling and relisting...
It doesn't have to be as complicated as it's become for you. Stay tuned here and you'll get your B.A. in Auctions. (Notice I didn't say B.S. -- one reason was it was too funny - and the other because this is more of an art than science...
Wayne
Trying to Make a Difference - One Satisfied Customer at a Time....
posted on June 12, 2003 05:30:32 AM new
It is not fee avoidance if the buyer contacted you. However, it is restraint of trade and interference with business if eBay sticks its nose into your dealings with your customers that are not eBay transactions.
Regarding adult material through Paypal- paypal can only decline the adult material transaction if they know it is adult material.
posted on June 12, 2003 05:56:37 AM new
Hey, I'm a student here.
I just learned some good points:
1) Don't list at two different auctions.
Like I stated in the above post, I normally post at Half.com (and if it's a book, I post at Half & Amazon) that way it's not an "auction."
2) The price.
I looked and looked for the ISBN and couldn't find how much it was selling on the internet as a laserdisc. Usually I compare at Half and Amazon sites to decide what the price is. The video and DVD were selling betw $29-39, so I figure since it's a LD it should sell for $35.
3) Once I got into the research, I noticed that LDs were NOT collector's items. That most folk w/ LDs had switched to DVD, but there were a few diehard hold-outs. Apparently this guy is one of them.
4) Now, I got 2 LDs (Madonna and a movie) that Half.com lists, and was able to price those at about the average. At least I could compare.
5) I still got two Twilight Zones that are priced as laserdiscs on the internet around $75-100 a piece. I priced the 2 for $100, one price.
So now I've got to find a way to sell them.
There's a lot of TZ product out there. Esp on video and DVD, but very few on LD. Hoping through my research
posted on June 12, 2003 06:47:24 AM new
Vendio isn't a auction site. They could offer you is a store front, kind of like what eBay has for fixed price items
posted on June 12, 2003 06:55:09 AM new
LiW48 - you lost ne somewhere between the cancelling and relisting and listing on two auction sites...
"That's why Auction + BUY IT NOW is the better option.
With BUY IT NOW I can change the price; with the Auction, it seems I have to cancel and relist, cancel and relist"
You don't have to cancel and relist on eBay Auctions to change the price AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO BIDS on the item..once there are bids you really are not supposed to cancel unless you found that there was an error in your listing etc...you aren't SUPPOSED to do it because you don't like the price. As you have learned, it helps to do your research before you list.
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