posted on July 5, 2003 06:55:26 AM new
10 days ago, a new bidder ("goat" ) wrote to complain about my terms of service. She had already placed bids, so I cancelled them, blocked her, told her she wasn't welcome and got on with my life.
3 days ago, a different bidder ("horse" ) won one of my auctions and paid me within seconds through PayPal. She included a cheery but urgent message about the necessity for me to ship immediately. I was halfway through making the mailing label when I realized the email address on the payment was the same as "goat", the new bidder I had previously blocked.
Recall that PayPal will do that to you if you're not careful, something you pranksters with multiple accounts might want to remember.
I documented it all, shipped it off to SH, and today! Yippee! "goat" and "horse" are BOTH naru'd!
(Of course, she has AOL, so she can create just about as many more as she wants...)
I am not a bathtub full of brightly-colored machine tools on Vendio.
[ edited by fluffythewondercat on Jul 5, 2003 06:55 AM ]
posted on July 5, 2003 08:04:34 AM new
I don't get it!I don't understand why she was NARU'd?? Neither Goat nor Horse were NPB - the only "offense" I see is that goat complained about your TOS?? I thought eBay allowed multiple id's ( as i recall you have a couple)...why SH and why NARU?
posted on July 5, 2003 08:09:04 AM new
goat should have her own paypal account with her own cc and bank account different from horse,then there is no way to link them together.
goat and horse may be into other mischief like eating too much grass and get too bloated to send payments etc??
posted on July 5, 2003 08:20:47 AM new
I'm not following it either. I pay with paypal under my account the Yu-Gi-Oh auctions that my son wins. Is that a no-no? Of course that shows up as a different email address than my sons, and I'm quite surprised I haven't had a seller call me on it yet. I also have a seperate buying and selling ID.
posted on July 5, 2003 08:25:15 AM new
I'm confused. Goat only bid and did not win so unless Goat had mailed you her address before hand then how did you know it?
Ebay would naru both accounts because you had blocked Goat and then Horse bid with a linked account ( PayPal or ebay ).
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posted on July 5, 2003 09:03:54 AM new
you have to read pointy thread on how he has 2 paypal accounts (he actually have just one paypal account with diff email addr)and paypal would show in the buyer paypal transaction log under details,the seller's main email addr.
if you have one paypal account but diff email addre under that paypal account,only one email addr is designated as the one which corresponds with paypal .
posted on July 5, 2003 09:11:10 AM newI don't get it!I don't understand why she was NARU'd??
My fault for not explaining more clearly. I sometimes forget that everyone is not familiar with all the different suspendable offenses.
This one is called Disruptive Bidding. Here's the skinny:
If you block someone from bidding, and they bid on your item anyway using a different eBay ID, that is a violation of eBay rules. eBay takes this seriously enough that they will consider suspending the violator, as they did in this case. My problem child, under her "horse" ID, already had quite a bit of negative feedback for disrupting other auctions. Her "goat" ID had perfect feedback.
She would have gotten away with this if she hadn't had both emails on her PayPal account. So when I got a payment from "[email protected]" for a "horse" auction, I knew it was her.
Hope that helps.
I am not a bathtub full of brightly-colored machine tools on Vendio.
posted on July 5, 2003 10:23:15 AM new
Sounds like goat was acting like a horse's ass, but as long as she talked turkey and paid instead of chickening out, you should be as happy as a pig in slop.
posted on July 5, 2003 11:50:40 AM new
I'm convinced that the vast majority of the rule breakers that get tossed off ebay are very stupid or very naive.
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posted on July 5, 2003 05:55:17 PM new
This has made me rethink ??
I never pay any attention to the email address with a paypal pymt.Guess I should start.
Thanks Fluffy.
posted on July 8, 2003 04:07:45 AM newI'm convinced that the vast majority of the rule breakers that get tossed off ebay are very stupid or very naive.
Alex, I'll take the first option, Very Stupid, for $100.
Found this stinking up my inbox this morning:
I have just completed a formal appeal with ebay. It seems that my mother bid on an item of your, earrings I think she said. Then she emailed you or contacted you through ebay and you canceled her bid on the item. Over the years my mother sends me interesting items she sees on ebay. Since I am married to a greek, she emailed me a bracelet with a key design on it. One of which I had been searching for. Unfortunately for me at the time she forwarded this to me it was before you shut her down on her bid on your other item. I watched the bracelet and then bid on it. Now after you refunded my payment through paypal (which is also used by my mother) you contact ebay and tell them that we are the same person. Ebay has been given both our contact information to verify that we are not the same person. Also since it seems that you shut her from bidding on your items, that does not mean that family members cannot bid on your items. BUT if I had known you were the jerk that you are, I would not have bid on your item and waited for something else through someone else. Get real.......look back at your records, what item did my mother bid on, not the one I bid on, and I did not bid on the item you canceled her bid on. MAYBE because we are not the same person and did not violate any ebay rules. My mother did not want the bracelet, I did. You screwed me over because she asked you a question that pissed you off. Get real. I did nothing to you, and you are making me pay for some problem you have with someone else. Just because I am related should give you no reason to lash out at me. My purchase from you was totally innocent. You turned it into something under your control and took away something I had been searching for for almost one year. Thanks for being an as* and filing a false report to ebay. As I said they have been informed of this in DETAIL. I did not violate any ebay rules. You are making me pay for your anger with someone else.
We knew she was dumb and she's even dumber if she thinks anyone will believe all this. Not with 10 neg for trashing other peoples' auctions on her "horse" ID.
I am not a bathtub full of brightly-colored machine tools on Vendio.
posted on July 8, 2003 09:12:45 AM new
A seller can cancel and/or block any ebayer they want and for any reason. The linked accounts will probably never be successfully appealed by this/these seller(s). Ebay will say tough beans knowing that they can open a new account and that they could use a clean feedback slate anyways.
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posted on July 8, 2003 11:59:23 AM newBut she paid promptly. I thought that was the idea?????
Hey, if you want this customer, you're welcome to her.
Just don't forget the sellers she scrod who gave her the negative feedback, and most likely the many others who didn't neg her for fear of retaliation.
Oh, you know what? I just went to look at "horse"'s feedback and what do I find? A positive feedback for "horse" from "goat"! Gee, that might have had something to do with eBay's decision to deep-six her.
Anyway, other than that, here is a choice selection of comments from her sellers:
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DID PAY FAST. **I DONT LEAVE FEEDBACK 1ST BECAUSE OF JERKS LIKE YOU**
Please take my advise JUST STAY FROM THIS WOMAN SHE LIES
Buyer manipulates & lies to get $$ and product! Check his FB,im not the only 1.
Shorted me $50 and got mad when I pointed it out. Still hasn't pd difference!
LOOKOUT GAME PLAYERS HERE WITH NUMEROUS ID'S AND NOTHING ELSE TO DO
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For the newer sellers among us, be aware that that many and that type of complaint indicates her malicious intent. This is over a period of three years.
In fact, back in the bad old days when you could leave feedback for yourself, "horse" left HERSELF a negative feedback! I think she thought she was negging somebody else!
Yes, Alex, I'll take Very Stupid for $100.
I am not a bathtub full of brightly-colored machine tools on Vendio.
