posted on July 22, 2003 06:55:13 PM new
Here is the last of most recent finds that I can't find anything on. I am sure hoping that the ceramics experts can help.... Is this junk?
posted on July 22, 2003 06:58:51 PM new
Hey Paloma, even if its not Roseville, you know you still got those "Pink Passionist's" out there....looks like a nice piece of pottery, btw
posted on July 22, 2003 07:19:43 PM new
Maybe somebody will come along that can tell you what it is before you put it up on ebay. ?
I once sold 2 pink coffee mugs that had nothing special about them except that they were pink. Have noticed there are a certain group of people that are just so into pink anything!! And you vase or water pitcher could almost be described as a hot pink ...well maybe mauve better describes it, I'd have to look at it again.
posted on July 22, 2003 07:29:06 PM new
Paloma, did a google on it and this page came up. Didnt see anything exactly like yours but it did say Roseville 806 "pine cone vase" if that helps.
posted on July 22, 2003 07:45:44 PM new
Don't know who makes it, but here's one like it (different color) but they are thinking it could be McCoy - but I didn't find it in my McCoy books.
posted on July 23, 2003 08:34:01 AM new
Thanks so much everyone. I checked last night 'til 2am. I found NOTHING on this piece. I did find out some things about shawnee though. When it went out of business, the molds were used by another company. The glaze was used by both McCoy and Shawnee. by 2am I was confused and tired.
posted on July 23, 2003 10:55:39 AM new
I believe this could be California Pottery Co. Neither Roseville or McCoy used USA on their pottery to my knowledge.
posted on July 23, 2003 12:21:09 PM new
This is what I Found out last night. WAAAY too late to do anything. I hope this helps someone. I sure wish it could help me! Thanks again everyone for helping me try to find the answer.
The Shawnee Pottery owes its name and distinctive mark to an arrowhead found on the grounds of the then-unnamed plant in Zanesville, OH in 1937. The area is rich in natural clay, and the Shawnee were known to have lived and produced pottery in the Zanesville-Roseville area long before it was settled.
The site of the pottery, formerly the home of the American Encaustic Company, was once the largest tileworks in the world. It shut down during the Depression, but not before leaving its mark in decorative tiles used on building exteriors as part of the common architecture of the era. For much of the 1880's to the early 1930's, tiles produced at this plant found their way to building exteriors around the world. The tileworks also produced interior tiles that ranged from plain to highly decorative.
The new Shawnee plant employed some of the same craftsmen that had worked for American Encaustic; however, most of the old kilns in the plant were removed and replaced with state-of-the-art equipment prior to Shawnee's opening.
Several names well known to the Ohio potteries were a part of Shawnee. The first president and general officer was A.E. Hull Jr., son of the founder of the Hull Pottery. George Rumrill moved the production of his pottery from Red Wing to Shawnee in 1938, and the designers included those that had worked at Hull, Roseville, Weller, Frankoma and others.
Much of Shawnee's work was intended for department stores and 5&10's, including Woolworth's, McCrory, S.S. Kresge and Sears, and as such, mass production abilities were primary to the pottery and designs. Many of the pieces were intended to retail between ten and thirty cents. The pottery made decorative pieces as well as dinnerware and kitchenware.
Like many of its contemporaries, the pottery could not compete against foreign imports after World War II, and ceased operation in 1961.
posted on July 23, 2003 10:37:47 PM new
Definitely NOT Roseville. I have a lot of pottery and have collected it for years. This USA mark always throws us sellers, because I've been told it has been used by either Shawnee, California Pottery, or McCoy. Seems to me there's a USA pottery subcategory in pottery? If not, list it in, say, Shawnee AND Calif. Pottery, have question marks in the auction title.
The latest Kovel book on pottery stunned me because there was no mention I could find of USA pottery. At least alphabetically. Unless I had the blind staggers when I looked at the book a year ago. . . .
posted on July 23, 2003 11:58:42 PM new
I was always under the impression that the reason U.S.A. appeared on most post WW11 pottery was because of the strong anti import feeling (especially Japanese) that existed in this country right after the end of the war. U.S. occupation forces required the Japanese to mark all exports "Occupied Japan" between 1946 and 1953. Several U.S. potteries marked their products U.S.A. so the consumer would not think it was a Japanese import. Remember, a lot of this stuff was never intended to be quality collectables, but rather utility ware that was distributed through the local five and dime stores, consequently the potteries never saw fit to put their names on it. It wasn't the potteries in the 40's that made their wares collectable. It is the collectors of the 90"s that made it valuable, and the ebay sellers who post on this board that made it a national treasure.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
posted on July 24, 2003 07:22:01 AM new
Kovels is rediculous. They havent really upgraded their Book of Marks in Years. I looked at mine yesterday and also found they have no USA marks.
posted on July 24, 2003 08:00:50 AM new
Your vase is definitely Shawnee. It is pictured in the Shawnee book by Supnick and has the correct marking on the bottom. I have sold several of these to Shawnee Collectors in my Shop. The last one I sold for 28.00. I haven't checked to see what they are selling for online.
posted on July 24, 2003 09:11:50 AM new
They are both good books. I got by with the Supnick (paperback) for several years. For the price, it gives alot of information. Then last year I needed information on the Shawnee Miniatures and bought the Hardback by Mangus. It provided the additional information I needed. I buy alot of books. I figure if a book helps me sell 3 or 4 items, it pays for itself. Good luck.
Sorry, I just re-read your post and realize you ask about the 2 Supnick books. The one I have is the Collecting Shawnee Pottery 1996 Prices. I don't know about the other one. It may be a newer version. Not sure. Maybe someone else can add information on this.
[ edited by potterdj on Jul 24, 2003 09:19 AM ]
posted on July 26, 2003 12:11:38 AM new
Unbeknownest to me, some Hull Pottery may have only USA on the backstamp. I just today found a pair of Swans that one had USA onit & the other had Hull, USA on it. They were identical.
[ edited by paloma91 on Jul 22, 2003 07:02 PM ]
