FloridaShark
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posted on August 10, 2003 07:43:19 AM new
Buyer wins auction in US Dollars,
Buyer asks for total in US Dollars,
Buyer reveals she is in Canada AFTER payment is sent,
Canadian check arrives in Canadian Dollars.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE ?
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 10, 2003 08:07:15 AM new
Canadian....
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 10, 2003 08:14:08 AM new
Return her money in Euro Dollars. 
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
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kiara
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posted on August 10, 2003 09:39:33 AM new
Tell her to go to her post office and buy a money order in US funds and then send it to you. Tell her you can return her Canuck cheque  in the box with her widget.
Tell her to go to Bidpay and lead her there, if necessary.
Or tell her to go to hell.
She probably bought your item because she wanted it and then just did something stupid like this, like many other people do from all over the world.
Maybe she is just stupid and will do this all the time or maybe she is new, just out the gate.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on August 10, 2003 09:45:29 AM new
Did she send enough Canadian to convert into the proper US?
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kiara
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posted on August 10, 2003 09:45:36 AM new
And one more thing. Every time you have trouble with a foreigner who bid on your auctions and screwed up, it will most likely be a Canadian because they are the next biggest to the US on ebay.
Canada's economy is booming right along in many Provinces so there are people there with extra money in their jeans and they are anxious to spend it on ebay.
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kiara
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posted on August 10, 2003 09:54:44 AM new
dadofstickboy, even if the Canadian amount she sent converts to the US amount, (she would have had to have sent a lot more in Can. to do that), chances are that FloridaShark may have a lot of trouble even finding a place to cash that cheque if he wanted to.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on August 10, 2003 10:44:18 AM new
Kiara:
Nothing was posted as to whether or not there was enough!
As far as cashing, my bank would do it but I would get the US value.
As long as there was enough I'd have no problem!
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amber
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posted on August 10, 2003 10:57:13 AM new
I am a Canadian seller, and had a similar problem with a U.S. buyer. I didn't notice on the Paypal confirmation that she had paid in Canadian funds, when it should have been in U.S. I am sure she didn't mean to short me, but with foreign currencies, it does happen. I have had several International buyers send me Canadian cash for U.S. totals, which in some cases of high amounts makes quite a difference.
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tomwiii
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posted on August 10, 2003 11:02:06 AM new
Yo! PapaTwigmalias: The point is: most banks (mine included) charge a fortune (>$30) to process foreign personal cheques drawn on foreign banks! The point AIN'T the CONVERSION...it's the EXTRA PROCESSING FEE!
Which is why Me & Ralphie refuse to accept foreign personal cheques!
 
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dadofstickboy
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posted on August 10, 2003 11:06:31 AM new
I agree with everyone here,to the point that I want US funds also.
But if the issuer sent enought to cover costs it would not be a problem.
I'm sure this is not the case, but there has been nothing posted to say different!
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dadofstickboy
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posted on August 10, 2003 11:11:21 AM new
If: FloridaShark
Was shorted I'm sure that all they need do is inform the buyer they still owe a balance.
I've had Canadians short me, just informed them to send the bal. due.
They did no problem!
It's a PIA but not the end of the world.
This buyer doesn't appear to be a Deadbeat,just not the Sharpest Tack on the board!
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FloridaShark
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posted on August 10, 2003 05:18:00 PM new
Thanks for allowing me to vent.
This auction was only US$3.30 the buyer sent a Canadian check for CAD$4.60
My bank charges US$30.00 to convert a foreign check ( as Tomwii anticipated ).
The crazy thing is that the buyer asked me the total in US$ and hid the fact that she was in Canada by ignoring 2 requests for a shipping address until she had already SENT payment.
My point is that I am not concerned about being ripped off for US$3.30 ( I would rather ditch the deal and go ahead and spend another $3.30 on a beer to relax ) but it is just such a pain in the A** and I can not understand why some people do this !!!
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AuctionAce
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posted on August 10, 2003 05:37:50 PM new
Send the money back and disallow all Canadians from bidding on any of your future auctions. There are very few Canadians in Canada and they cause a lot of problems and are not worth the troubles they cause.
Sounds heartless and Fluffy-like but it's the truth. Now let's hear all the whiney Cannucks belch and moan in response to this post.
-------------- sig file ----------- He who angers you controls you
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trai
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:17:02 PM new
AuctionAce
You base your statement on what fact? Over the years I have had dealings with people all over the planet which includes canadians without much of a problem what so ever.
I think that a lot of any misunderstanding stems from people not thinking that banks vary as to service charges to cash out of country checks. Best to inform them right out of the gate.
In this case I would email them and ask for a postal m.o. in u.s. funds and then mail their check back in the parcel.[for a low amount they can also wrap a couple of bucks in a regular mailer.]
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:19:00 PM new
I would send their money back in the package, but on the customs form, I would state Merchandise with a value of $1000... let 'em enjoy the taxes
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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sparkz
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:34:10 PM new
Twelvepole... My sentiments exactly. And be sure to send it to them UPS. The $25.00 brokerage fee they charge will help take their mind off the customs fees and taxes.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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kiara
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:46:44 PM new
This is a prime example of what I was talking about earlier today. This is what erodes the very core of a good discussion board that people have contributed to for years.
Do some of you know how many people from the US fled to Canada after 9/11 and who are building new lives and businesses here, some of them in my own town, that some of them are the most wonderful people ever? We are working together and not judging each other.
Firefighters from the US and Canada have joined together to fight the largest forest fires in history, mostly all on the US side. They are all working together like they have done forever.
Americans and Canadians marry each other. Both are on these message boards. Both are helping each other overseas in the same wars. We should not be judging one whole country by the actions of one citizen. For all we know, this could be an American living in Canada and you are punishing one of your own citizens.
We should be discussing how we can help the seller. We should be asking why buyers do this. We should be discussing how we can help to make this situation better. We should be discussing why some people have no problems and others have so many. What do they sell? Why do they open their auctions to the world and why don't they. We should be discussing the differences in banking systems like Trai suggested.
I know why some will only sell within their countries and I respect them for their decisions. If I was in the same position as them I would most likely be doing it their way also.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 10, 2003 06:51 PM ]
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amber
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:53:07 PM new
I think one of the problems is that Canadians do not realize that U.S. banks charge a fee to exchange Canadian dollars, because our Canadian banks do not charge to exchange U.S. money. My bank will accept anything, including U.S. postal money orders (although most Canadian banks will not). I had a problem with an item I sold to a buyer, so I told her to keep the item, and I sent her a check from our U.S. account, in our Canadian bank. It was in U.S. funds, drawn on a U.S. bank, but because it had a Canadian bank name on the check, they wanted to charge them $30 to change the check. We got the phone# from the buyer, and called their bank and got it put right.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:57:04 PM new
Discussion for who? You? I have an opinion just like anyone else.... I guarantee if they sent it back my way they would get the message not to do that again...
Kiara,you seem to be short sighted when it comes to your rah rah partner and some of the things posted... clean your own backyard then come back.
Oh and the moderators left and if I can recall some of your other posts... you haven't been called in as a replacement...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 10, 2003 07:01 PM ]
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dadofstickboy
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posted on August 10, 2003 06:59:16 PM new
Just as I was saying all along!
This buyer added the extra funds to make up the difference.
They felt they were doing the right thing!
If I were to (deposit) not try to cash this check I would encounter no problems or charges at my bank.
Would just need to wait longer than usual.
And since they added extra funds I would receive the proper amount!
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 10, 2003 07:02:57 PM new
dadofstickboy, at my bank even if you just "deposit" it, you still get charged...
just inform the buyer you will not accept it and expect payment in cash or in the form of a MO in US funds...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kiara
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posted on August 10, 2003 07:06:39 PM new
Amber, you make a very good point. Banks within these two countries do not have all the same rules and regulations. One Canadian bank may differ from another and one US bank may differ from another.
Fortunately I can have a bank account on both sides of the border.
I think it's sad that this happened to FloridaShark as the amount is so small and there is so much time wasted on his part.
But the bidder should be notified of the problem she has caused and if she knows, she may not do it again. She will usually let all her friends and family know the right way to do it also. The message will spread.
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AuctionAce
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posted on August 10, 2003 07:15:36 PM new
If you have repeated problems like this seller did then exclude the Canadian bidders. Of all the foreign bidders I get it is by far the Canadians that bellyache the most. After this last gulf war where Canada was so damn anti-American it has gotten to the point where I can not even stand to see the word Canada.
-------------- sig file ----------- He who angers you controls you
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stonecold613
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posted on August 10, 2003 08:41:13 PM new
For once bids (aka auctionace) is correct. I for one do accept bids from other countries, but the only country I ever have trouble with is Canada.
[ edited by stonecold613 on Aug 10, 2003 08:44 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 10, 2003 08:43:29 PM new
I accept bids from anywhere and have to say have never had a problem outside the good 'ol USofA... however I am strict in my TOS concerning International Bidders and will not make an exception at anytime.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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wrightsracing
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posted on August 10, 2003 08:51:08 PM new
Is this a new bidder ??? Maybe they don't know??? If not, then please let her know, if she is not new, then tell her she has been caught and she should know better.
Sorry you have encountered this problem with a $3.00 sale. It is a very big waste of time, but if you handle it professional and such, you may have a repeat buyer that will buy often ?? with out making the same mistakes??? You never know ??
If not, then by all means send all of the Canadian bidders to me. As I don't mind taking a few min's to fill out the customs form and I do get repeat business from them.
Same are time takers, and some pay fast. I have found no difference with a USA buyer then with a buyer from canada.
I hope you can get it worked out and all is well with the both of you.
Remember the choices we make today, do make a difference for tomorrow.
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AuctionAce
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posted on August 10, 2003 09:10:20 PM new
Same are time takers
I like that moniker. Maybe we can call the time takers 'snails or slugs'.
-------------- sig file ----------- He who angers you controls you
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ehansen
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posted on August 10, 2003 11:57:53 PM new
"There are very few Canadians in Canada..."
lol
sorry Ace, most of the people in Canada are Canadian
Most Canadians are like most Americans....respectful and cooperative. It's the few that give the rest a bad name. There's always someone who is prepared to jump to unreasonable conclusions and form generalizations.
I've had clueless customers from all over but most have been easy to deal with.
Yes, sending a Canadian check to the U.S. when the auction states the payment terms clearly isn't that bright...but, then again, I've had to open a U.S. account and change my TOS to accept checks on account of all the U.S. checks that showed up anyways, regardless of my original TOS that did not include personal checks as a form of payment I accept.
The checks came anyways, I adjusted to suit the customers and went with the flow. No problem.
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 11, 2003 04:17:01 AM new
Seriously, they may not have realized. It looks like they sent you enough money if your bank didn't charge. Maybe this is their first International buy? I'd explain to them why you cannot accept the check (the $30 bank charge) and request that they send you a money order in US funds. I'm sure it was an honest mistake. I've had a lot of good Canadian sales and have only had one pain in the you-know-what one. Not too bad odds.
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
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