toasted36
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posted on December 13, 2003 04:38:20 PM new
How would you describe the metal work on this silver bracelet? Filigree or ornate and is this Enamel not cloisonne ....thanks for any help !
duh lol forgot the pics ....brain is not here tonight !
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posted on December 13, 2003 04:53:06 PM new
IMO it is cloisonne (loosely put), which is an enameling technique. Very pretty!
Cheryl
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posted on December 13, 2003 04:59:31 PM new
excuse me,if this is cloisonne ,the peking chinese would be turning over in their graves,do you know how many layers of copper and wire and firing and gold and enamel go into cloisonne??
this is just plain enameling,in my opinion.
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posted on December 13, 2003 05:12:38 PM new
The metal work would you just say ornated or would this be considered filigree...I think filigree is kinda cut into the metal right....thank you both for help 
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posted on December 13, 2003 05:29:07 PM new
stopwhining
Notice I said "loosely". I guess I should have said "very loosely".
Cheryl
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posted on December 13, 2003 05:44:05 PM new
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We had it with your discipline
Saturday night's alright for fighting
Get a little action in
Get about as oiled as a diesel train
Gonna set this dance alight
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posted on December 13, 2003 05:46:57 PM new
i would not say this is filigree as filigree i have seen are much finer,but then someone may think otherwise.
pretty piece,where is it made??
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posted on December 13, 2003 05:50:35 PM new
Hand painted? Hand enamel painted?
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toasted36
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posted on December 13, 2003 06:11:06 PM new
No markings at all stopwhining...I did take it to the local pawn shop and she tested it as silver.
Cheryl she said the foo lions were brass and wouldn't test them .. she stated she didn't have time so I'm going to buy a test kit sometime this week just to be sure.Thanks again on your help with them .
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posted on December 13, 2003 07:03:34 PM new
filigree looks like someone has woven silver into a shape with very thin silver threads. This one is not filigree nor cloisonne which consists of many layers of fired enamel set into little wire boxes. Would call it enamel however.
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posted on December 13, 2003 07:13:00 PM new
wonder if this is middle east like persian,if so,you could get some nice bids.
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posted on December 13, 2003 08:01:41 PM new
Thank You Everyone for your input ! I Listed it as Vintage Ornate Enamel Silver Bracelet ...lol oh boy . I'm sure someone could have done much better with the title and description than I did (snort a two year old could prolly lol)I just didn't want to say cloisonne or filigree if it wasn't cause then you get them rude e-mails lol where people yell at you. I had a guy just scream at me once for a Fraternal Groups symbol ...said I wasn't right and I was singling out people to look at it....sheesh ! I sent him the links where I got my info and he sent a sweet e-mail back saying I must be right lol Got YA !!! Something about it must have been before his time. Anyways THANKS BUNCHES !!
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posted on December 13, 2003 08:18:46 PM new
toasted
I never said the foo lions were brass. What did you find out about them? Are they listed?
Cheryl
http://tinyurl.com/vm6u
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posted on December 13, 2003 08:28:25 PM new
Oh I know you didn't say they were brass lol it was me that said they were brass ....I haven't listed them yet cause I want to check to see if they are brass or some other metal...The pawn shop lady was real busy today and she didn't have time to test it....she just looked at them and said they were brass.So I'm gonna buy a test kit off ebay and do it myself,Should have bought one along time ago.I'm sure I'll use it alot.
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posted on December 13, 2003 08:29:46 PM new
I like the auction title.
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posted on December 14, 2003 09:28:21 AM new
I;'m coming into this thread late!
Hope you get a nice price for your bracelet, toasted, it has a nice bright quality about it- quite appealing. I think your title is just fine...
But, yes, this is an example of cloisonne style enamelling. "Cloison" is the french word for "cell" and in enamelling it describes the technique of making little "cells" out of wire or strips, and filling them with the enamel glass. Even though this piece isn't perfectly filled up, it's a perfect example of how the work is done. Not all of the Peking work is that good, either. Lots of times they simply over-fill the cells and gring everything back to one level, and you see tiny pinholes on the surface of the glass. Then a quick gold-plating and they call it genuine Peking work- and it is, too.
Filigree describes anything made with lots of curlicue lines- originally it was made by shaping wire into curliques and fusing it all together, because that was the only way to do it- lots of modern filigree is stamped out, now that stamping presses are available and can cut those intricate shapes.
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posted on December 14, 2003 12:04:00 PM new
Thanks Dragonmom !
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posted on December 14, 2003 12:08:28 PM new
I took several jewelry making classes in college. Cloisonne enameling is a technique independent of any place of origin or quality. You can make the cells with wire or by piercing a layer of metal that is soldered on to a base. I made examples of both types. Still makes me mad that they were all lost to a burglar when we were first married. I am sure he got zilch for all my jewelry efforts as well as my family treasures.
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posted on December 14, 2003 12:24:30 PM new
See, I wasn't wrong in calling it Cloisonne. The Chinese are not the only ones who do it although their method in good pieces is far superior and more intricate.
Cheryl
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toasted36
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posted on December 14, 2003 12:32:55 PM new
oh sorry to hear about the break in photosensitive....that is a horrible way to start a marriage and it's something that you'll think about forever. I do Thank you for the Jewelry lesson...you can never know to much but aways not enough...
lol Cheryl you forgot this  to funny !!
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posted on December 14, 2003 12:43:11 PM new
LOL, toasted! Just had to comment since stopwhining's rather rude comment. By the way, not all cloisonne is gold either. For example, my silver Chinese cloisonne vase will attest to that. The wires aren't always copper either. See example above. The wires are silver.
Ha! Couldn't help myself. See toasted, you got me started!
Cheryl
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posted on December 14, 2003 02:10:48 PM new
I guess if one wants to get technical, cloisonne can be made without the use of any wires. This because I have 3 old Japanese vases that were made without any wires. However, many many layers of enamel were uses
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posted on December 14, 2003 02:14:43 PM new
Looks like old stopwhinning is on the ropes and looking at defeat in the cloisonne debate.
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posted on December 14, 2003 03:37:42 PM new
Photo, did you try the Plique a jour technique? That's when the glass in the cells has no metal backing- the light shines through it like a little stained-glass window... looks like magic!
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posted on December 14, 2003 04:06:52 PM new
Yes, we were assigned to make one piece with translucent enamel without a backing. It did look like stained glass. I had forgotten that one and I want to cry when I think about the lost pieces. They missed one small box that was not obvious so I have one enamel piece and a couple of things that I had given to my mother. What I still dream about finding after all these years is my baby locket and the little pin that was the only thing I had that belonged to my father's mother.
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posted on December 14, 2003 10:49:05 PM new
The bracelet could be from India or surrounds.
Just a thought.
Photosensitive, very sorry to hear about your loss.
Do you have your GG or are you still practicing jewelry making?
I guess it's kind of "gear oriented" like photography? 
J
edited to add>>>>it is remeniscent of bali beads
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posted on December 15, 2003 05:16:24 AM new
Japerton,
I had another round of metal jewelry making a few years after I lost my first efforts but decided on the day I lost a sun shaped brass disk on the buffing wheel and it zipped past my head that I might not be cut out to make metal jewelry. I still have a box of tools for it somewhere. Since then I have done a couple of stints with fabric and paper and am thinking about giving them a try again now that I am retired. I have a great color printer that will take canvas so I may try some stitched and embellished items again.
The theft was many years ago and in the total picture is not that important but just the other day I thought of a family item that I once had and realized it must have gone in that long ago burglary.
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posted on December 15, 2003 07:31:30 PM new
PS
I am a beader, and have won awards, so my next step is to experiment with other mediums, though I am giggling at the buffing wheel, ahem, because beads are pretty safe by comparison.
J
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