profe51
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posted on January 5, 2004 08:55:08 PM new
Is it OK to slander and defame NPB's on this board, inlcuding their user names and personal website and street addresses...., even if they're Germans?...PLEASE?????
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wgm
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posted on January 5, 2004 09:02:14 PM new
ohhhh noooo! ROFL! you too? 
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profe51
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posted on January 5, 2004 09:12:46 PM new
yup, and what really makes me angry, is the same jerk stiffed me about a year ago for several hundred dollars, using a different ID before he got NARU'd. I know of at least 3 successive ID's he's had. I've mailed Ebay and the other sellers he's recently failed to pay. Ebay hasn't responded yet, but his pattern is always the same. He buys a few items, always in the same category...he actually is a dealer of the items in Germany....gets a few good FB's and then begins a pattern of non-payment. I can't figure out why he does it. I don't sell a lot of items, this is just a hobby to help cover the costs of my own collecting addictions, and the things I sell are original and usually pretty hard to find. Virtually ALL of my buyers are very easy to deal with and honest. This is the one exception that sticks in my craw. Here's one of the two he recently stiffed me on if you want to look...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2208745716&category=7271&rd=1
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fenix03
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posted on January 5, 2004 09:40:30 PM new
Prof - the only thing I can suggest is something I do with a few of my items. There is a buyer in The Netherlands that has done the same thing for years with one niche of items. Whenever I list items from this catagory I keep a close eye on the bids and the country the bidder registered in (click on their feedback - it is in the feedback box). If they are from the Netherlands I check auctions that they have won and email a few of the other sellers. If no one has recieved a payment, their bid is canceled and their ID gets blocked. I think half of my blocked bidders in the ID are this same guy. He slips thru every now and then but luckily not on anything high ticket. Hope this helps.
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wgm
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posted on January 5, 2004 10:03:16 PM new
Sorry it happened to you, prof
Out of all the international bidders I work with, the ones from Germany are typically the worst!
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Damariscotta
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posted on January 6, 2004 03:47:52 AM new
On the bright side, at least with non-payer you haven't lost the merchandise.
As to why people do this, in your German situation, the buyer may either be putting item on "hold", and trying to find a buyer or sell to a regular customer before he gets it. If no interest, he just doesn't complete sale. He may also be outbidding his customers to protect his business, so that eBay doesn't undersell him in his market.
This first type of behavior occurs in the real-world antique business as well.
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profe51
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posted on January 6, 2004 04:44:46 AM new
the idea of putting items on hold in this way makes sense...this guy may have a bunch of ID's going at the same time. I noticed you can do very little searching on a bidder from Germany. You can look at FB, but not ID history due to "German Privacy Laws"...maybe those same laws make it hard for Ebay to keep up with these people.
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The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.
-- P. J. ORourke (Holidays in hell, 1989)
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earthmum
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posted on January 6, 2004 05:33:22 AM new
Prof - sorry about your problems with the German buyer (or nonbuyer). I just wish that eBay would split up the "Europe" designation of countries to which one is willing to ship. I would like to designate the U.K. alone.
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neroter12
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posted on January 6, 2004 05:39:22 AM new
Prof, I am sorry this happened to you, too.
Like you, I dont sell alot and try to sell htf or unusual things to supplement my habits. I had one buyer from germany early on. HIS email add went poof and then he requested MY contact info. Kinda scared me. Felt like he was up to something. Deal never when through. So I dont much like dealing with Intl buyers and esp ones from Germany because of that 1st experience.
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cc5
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posted on January 6, 2004 07:44:28 AM new
I have to add my 2 cents to this thread. I can say that in the over 7000 auctions I've had, that by far and away the most dreadful bidder from hell was from Germany. To my dying day I'll still remember him.
Without going into all the details, he made ugly threats and demands for at least 6 months because I wouldn't mail the book. He had stiffed me by $20 saying the postage was too much....it wasn't. When it finally was paid and the book sent, more demands and threats because the book wasn't arriving.
Well it arrived all right, returned from Germany back here to the US with a $24 request from the PO for the return postage. He had given me the wrong German zip. Of course he then expected me to pay both the PO and another $24 new postage back to him. More threats and accusations.
During all this, I somehow maintained even tempered responses despite my mounting anger. Boy was that difficult!
He never got his book.
I should add, that my other experiences with Germans have been good.
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Roadsmith
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:10:30 AM new
Sometimes I wonder if Germans, as a tribe, have an inflated sense of entitlement. . . .
About the Netherlands bad seller--could one of you please tell us the general categories he usually buys in, or is it all over the place?
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fenix03
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:31:24 AM new
It's one extreme niche type of item he buys ... I mean bids on. There are maybe a dozen sellers that sell regularly in that niche and I don't think I've ever seen seen even a full 25 listing page of the items.
I do have to say though that over the years, bidders from the Netherlands have been the biggest thorn in my side. I get a some when I sell more generic stuff on the UK site and maybe 20% of them have actually paid.
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dacreson
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posted on January 6, 2004 10:13:50 AM new
Hello,
Sellers who refused to follow through for the final fees back, allowed this problem. The "buyer" stated his negative actions in November.....David
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fenix03
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posted on January 6, 2004 10:40:18 AM new
Where has November been mentioned anywhere?
I know in my case with the guy I just blocked AGAIN that he is still active because despite not following thru on over half a dozen items, there are only two different sellers involved. If bidders were suspended for renigging on three auctions rather than three sellers we could get rid of him much faster but the all he would do is reregister as he has done numerous times before so I'm dying to know how you can lay this at the feet of the seller.
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MAH645
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posted on January 6, 2004 11:07:24 AM new
My worst buyers have all been from the Netherlands. Right now I have one in the USA being a real PITA. I figure this bird is going to give me a neg even if I kiss his ass,so I'm not even going to pucker up for this one,I'll taken the neg and tell him to cry to Meg.
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dacreson
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posted on January 6, 2004 04:18:29 PM new
Where has November been mentioned anywhere?
Go to above live link (about fourth from top) Click on it, click on his feedback (-1)
and you will see there were six different sellers. All it took was three to get him suspended.
It is true he could resign up but my point was that bad apples sometimes exist because sellers are to lazy to follow through on non paying bidders.
I am sure you did your part but obviously some did not. David
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fenix03
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posted on January 6, 2004 04:30:43 PM new
There is only 1 auction that ended in November - the end at that and one other that ended prior to Profs (and that seller negged after Profs) so with a three seller requirement I'm not sure how this would have changed the situation.
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profe51
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posted on January 7, 2004 04:03:35 AM new
I'm requesting my FVF credits tomorrow on my two items, maybe that will make a difference in his status. He's got 7 negs from 6 users. Ebay has not responded to my mails about him so far...
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agate18
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posted on January 7, 2004 04:50:57 AM new
TRY TO REPORT HIM TO EBAY IN GERMANY DIRECT. NOT USA. SEND A LINK OF HIS BAD FEEDBACK. YOU MIGHT HAVE BETTER LUCK.
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profe51
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posted on January 9, 2004 04:43:22 AM new
I reported what I knew of his ID"s and behavior to Ebay.de, lo and behold, he's been NARU'd...good riddance!!
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The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.
-- P. J. ORourke (Holidays in hell, 1989)
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fenix03
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posted on January 9, 2004 09:42:22 AM new
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