posted on June 19, 2004 12:41:01 PM new
Monday's AntiqueWeek newspaper will have an article about a new law about to pass for anyone selling used items in California including internet sales. Here is a link.
posted on June 19, 2004 01:33:47 PM new
No worries, it will croak.
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posted on June 19, 2004 01:41:27 PM new
This article shall be construed liberally to effectuate the legislative intent to continue a uniform, statewide, state-administered program of regulation of persons and entities whose business includes the buying, selling, trading, auctioning, accepting for auction or for sale on consignment, or taking in pawn, tangible personal property and to create and to implement by January 1, 2008, a single, uniform, statewide electronic data reporting system for the reporting of transactions required by this article.
Wow. That is something. Good Luck!
If you are a dealer, and you purchase something on eBay, I guess you will have your work cut out for you getting all of those fingerprints from the sellers.
You think people complain about going through a simple checkout now?
Pretty soon they may want DNA samples to go along with the fingerprints.
The buyer from California will have to send the seller a "selling" checkout, with a fingerprint kit, and a notary requirment.
posted on June 19, 2004 01:46:41 PM new
too bad it said second hand merchandise for resale,not antiques.
if it were just antiques,then we are spared as US customs define antiques as over 100 years old.
But dealers who sell no more than 10 items netting 1k proceeds in a week need not register .
internet sales tax is coming,wait till they ask ebay to take tax out by state and remit to each state
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posted on June 19, 2004 01:49:43 PM new
well,back to the drawing board-need money,raise property tax.
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posted on June 19, 2004 01:55:16 PM new
I live in Florida and the way I understand it we are to pay sales tax to the state on anything we buy on the internet that we don't pay sales tax on when purchased.
http://www.myflorida.com/dor/consumer/
[ edited by toolhound on Jun 19, 2004 01:57 PM ]
posted on June 19, 2004 07:47:20 PM new
The nice folks in the California Senate and Assembly have never been noted for their brilliance when it comes to thinking out the ramifications of some of the bills they introduce and pass. Hopefully, if this passes, Gov. Arnold will veto it. If he doesn't, you can all rest assured there will be enough loopholes in the final version to satisfy a very wide range of special interest groups and campain contributors. We'll just have to find one of those loopholes and adapt it to our online sales. Of course, there's a very simple way to put this thing to rest. One phone call by Meg to Arnold threatening to pull Ebay out of California and relocate to Reno, and that bill is history.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on June 19, 2004 09:40:21 PM new
ebayauctionguy- It's time you stop selling and start those phone calls. Call anyone who is associated with that bill and tell them what you think. After all you elected them and they should abide by what the majority thinks.
Probably what is prompting something like that is stealing merchandise and selling it on the internet or second hand and antique stores. You read about this quite often where someone steals something goes to an antique dealer, pawn shop owner and second hand store and sells it. Soon the owner of the merchandise finds it and wants to know how you got it. If you have the proof then your okay if not I don't know what happens. I do know if they find stolen merchandise in your store they can confisgate it and you will receive no money. There are crooks everywhere so beware.
posted on June 20, 2004 12:23:15 AM new
Those democrat b@stards in the legislature don't care about crime. They see this as a way to collect more sales taxes. And the pawn shop lobby would love to see their competition (2nd hand sellers) smothered in red tape. I'm definitely going to call my assemblyman. If it passes, I'll either close my business or move out of the state when it goes into effect in 2007. I heard there are lots of good looking women in Florida.
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
posted on June 20, 2004 04:45:19 AM new
all these politcial banners are becoming rather annoying,can you guys keep them out of this forum??
ebayauctionguy,
good looking women in florida??
i thought they are all in California or Park ave,NYC.
You may want to consider Poland,they have good looking all natural women there,eager to meet american men and they are not spoiled,not yet!!
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on June 20, 2004 11:46:50 AM new
ALL CALIFORNIANS TAKE NOTE OF THIS!!! It scares the beejees out me. I am contacting my rep tomorrow & urge all to do the same.
posted on June 20, 2004 06:09:26 PM new
This is not the end of the world for Califoronians. This is a law that most states have had in effect for years. Personally, I've been registered as a second-hand dealer for over 10 years now in my state. I'm required to send in those forms for this whole time, and it's no big deal, fingerprints and all. I've sent in thousands of them. You'll get used to it. The main thing, at least in the state that I'm in, is that purchases from ANOTHER REGISTERED SECOND-HAND DEALER are exempt from any reporting. Only the first purchase by a dealer from a private is subject to reporting. And it's a good law. Personally, I do tend to try to purchase from dealers primarily. Remember that the intent of the law is to discover stolen merchandise. Each one of you will set your own paramaters. A gold class ring purchased from a 17 year old is different from a dish purchased from a 88 year old grandma.
posted on June 20, 2004 06:30:29 PM new
thanks for that perspective. I just curious about a couple of things.....
I read the senate bill and it also requires us to pay .50 for every fingerprinted, documented item we send to law enforcement agencies. And then there is a 30 day hold before we can sell the item. Is your's written that way too?
Do you report the plate from grandma?
I mostly go to yard sales to find items, how do you report that type of thing? Do you fingerprint the homeowner?
posted on June 21, 2004 01:55:32 PM new
I have just spoken with my Assemblyman's office.
This bill is being reviewed by commitee tomorrow, 22JUN. At that hearing they will tally the emails they receive that support or oppose this bill before it goes to the assembly.
If you would like to oppose this bill, by all means now is the time to do it. The email address for Lou Correa the committee head is
posted on June 21, 2004 09:22:26 PM new
I requested more oversight. I've recently become aware that some people use more than 4 tickets in the restroom. I think the great state of California should become more involved in every day life.
dd
ABSENT, ABSTAINING, OR NOT VOTING
*********************************
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VOTES - ROLL CALL
MEASURE: SB 1893
AUTHOR: Burton
TOPIC: Dealers and pawnbrokers: regulation.
DATE: 06/22/2004
LOCATION: ASM. B. & P.
MOTION: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
(AYES 3. NOES 7.) (FAIL)
posted on July 8, 2004 12:47:35 AM new
From what I can make out of this BS, it failed to pass the committee but it is still alive and it's being amended.
CURRENT BILL STATUS
MEASURE : S.B. No. 1893
AUTHOR(S) : Burton.
TOPIC : Dealers and pawnbrokers: regulation.
HOUSE LOCATION : ASM
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 06/14/2004
TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy
LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 06/22/2004
LAST HIST. ACTION : Set, first hearing. Failed passage in committee.
Reconsideration granted.
COMM. LOCATION : ASM BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS
TITLE : An act to amend Sections 21625, 21626, 21626.5, 21628,
21630, 21631, 21636, 21640, 21641, 21642, 21645, and
21647 of, to amend and repeal Sections 21627 and 21633
of, to add Sections 21626.1, 21627.1, 21627.2, 21628.3,
21632, 21635, 21636.4, 21636.7, and 21636.8 to, to
repeal Section 21634 of, and to repeal and add Sections
21628.1 and 21628.5 of, the Business and Professions
Code, to amend Sections 21300, 21301, and 21307 of, to
amend, repeal, and add Section 21208 of, to add Section
21308 to, and to repeal Section 21300.1 of, the
Financial Code, relating to personal property, and
making an appropriation therefor.
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
posted on July 8, 2004 06:05:57 AM new
One of the silly things about legislation like this is that lawmakers think it will stop criminals. I doubt seriously that it will. It will likely only catch some of the petty thieves, not most of the career criminals who spend their days figuring out how to outwit the law.
I wonder if similar bills have affected the crime rate or the rate of criminal capture (for lack of a better expression) in the states where they have been instituted.
posted on July 8, 2004 08:00:34 AM newOne phone call by Meg to Arnold threatening to pull Ebay out of California and relocate to Reno, and that bill is history.
Maybe, maybe not. I would bet that eBay's corporate "home" is already either Delaware or Nevada.
We might also be surprised just how much or how little taxes eBays pays to California.
Remember, ebay isn't a factory in California with a lot of equipment and workers. It can put servers wherever the capital equipment taxes are the least.
Anyone want to bet who pays more taxes in California-- ebay or say the most successful car dealership in the state ?
posted on July 8, 2004 08:17:00 AM newAnyone want to bet who pays more taxes in California-- ebay or say the most successful car dealership in the state?
Maybe all the California eBay users, both buyers and sellers put together!
posted on July 8, 2004 10:04:48 AM new
The fact is, Ebay IS a California corporation. It's main offices are in California. Their servers are located in California, actually in the same building as Vendio's servers. And they do pay a substantial amount in corporate taxes to the state. This has been public knowledge for years and has been fully disclosed to the SEC in numerous filings.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
