paloma91
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posted on June 22, 2004 11:39:36 PM new
It stands about 8 inches tall. The gold is worn off some of the edges. I was lucky this time and even got a foto of the stamp that you can actually see! shock to me! I am pretty sure this is noritake but when it was made, I couldn't find. I pulled out all of my books. The stamp is close for 1921 but I need someone who has more experience than I on this. Is there a certain name for this thing or for this type of painting on it?
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Roadsmith
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posted on June 23, 2004 09:52:37 AM new
How pretty. Hope you get an answer soon. . . .
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rarriffle
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posted on June 23, 2004 12:38:37 PM new
very pretty, i wonder what it held? a bowl maybe?
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paloma91
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posted on June 23, 2004 12:47:19 PM new
It looks like it held something as there is some of the glaze worn off of the top. It struck me as being very dramatic. I almost passed on it when I saw the top. I remember seeing that color glaze on some pieces in the tourist trap stores in san francisco. The painting design almost looks like it's from India. I noticed it was a little worn and took a look that the mark. I still held out for awhile. It looked too new but the stamp shows otherwise (I think) I very rarely get stuff like this. I have searched every book, booklet, paper I could find and still can't id the mark. I know it is Noritake but when I don't know. I think this raised painting on a piece has a specific name. Still - nada. I've already searched the web. I think I'll make a trip to the library and some of the bookstores today.
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sanmar
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posted on June 23, 2004 01:55:32 PM new
paloma, you are absolutely right on. This is a variation of the 1921 stamp. Definitly Noritake. My listing of Noritake backstamps came directly from Noritake LTD. Printed in 1997. The company which was started in 1876 by Ichizaemon Morimura. as Morimura Gumi.
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paloma91
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posted on June 23, 2004 11:37:06 PM new
Thanks Sanmar! I needed that validation. If anyone knows this stuff, you do. Do you happen to know what this kind of painting is called? Raised like it is. I seem to remember it being called a special name but I can't remember what it is. HUMMMM I am going to see if I can dig through my stuff to find it. I just can't remember the name
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sanmar
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posted on June 23, 2004 11:53:09 PM new
Sorry, paloma, but I am not into this type of artwork.. I can help on backstamps & china, but I can't help you out here.
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paloma91
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posted on June 23, 2004 11:55:18 PM new
Thanks for getting back on it. I think I will have to go a search'in.
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paloma91
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posted on June 23, 2004 11:58:37 PM new
Sanmar, I have one more that I can't find. I hope you won't mind if I pick your brain. I don't know if this is asian or what. It's very hard to take a foto of the stamp, it's way inside underneath some gluey stuff. It's a capital N which is underlined with 5 slashes like this lllll right underneathe the underline. Got any clues?
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sanmar
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posted on June 24, 2004 02:33:36 PM new
Sorry, paloma, have no idea.
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estatesalestuff
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posted on June 24, 2004 02:48:29 PM new
Hi ... I think that raised painting 'style' is called satsuma (not necessarily the 'brand name' satsuma, but the 'style' of satsuma) at least this is what my father-in-law taught me .... and the tiny beading formed by paint dots, moriage ... definitely looks like an olllld piece!
edited to add ... the fishes on the bottom, even though they look like generic "fish", are usually referred to as dolphins, on most of these old pieces.
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cblev65252
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posted on June 24, 2004 02:54:38 PM new
paloma
It's called moriage. You see a lot of it on dragonware. Maybe 1940's, 1950's? Not much older than that. I love the fish holding up the top. Marcia is right about them usually being dolphins, although not the Flipper type of dolphins. It's the type of dolphins that make good eating.
Cheryl
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Roadsmith
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posted on June 24, 2004 05:05:15 PM new
I thought of the word "imari" first but have no idea why. Is that related to these others--moriage, etc.?
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cblev65252
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posted on June 24, 2004 05:11:37 PM new
Roadsmith
Imari is quite different and once you've seen a couple of the pieces, it's easily identifiable. Most Imari is quite colorful, although they have made blue and white pieces. Almost never brown and I've never seen one using moriage.
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paloma91
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posted on June 25, 2004 01:07:57 AM new
WOW! What a wealth of knowledge here! I sure learn alot each time I ask a question! Thanks so much So the type of painting is moriage and the fish are called dolphins. Very very interesting. I wonder why they use them? I wonder what the dolphins signify?
Cheryl, I am a little confused. If the pattern is from the 40 - 50's, how can the stamp be from 1921 ? Did they use the same stamp?
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cblev65252
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posted on June 25, 2004 03:47:42 AM new
paloma
I'm just guessing on the age thing. Sure, they used the same stamp. The stamp didn't change every year. This stamp was definitely used in the 40's and 50's. The colors just don't seem right to be much earlier. That's just my opinion, though. If you want a more expert opinion, you can post the photo on the Gotheborg discussion board. But, they aren't always right. They guess wrong on a couple of pieces I have by saying they are from the 20th century when it turns out they are from the 19th.
www.gotheborg.com
Cheryl
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