posted on January 15, 2005 10:24:49 PM new
Is it time to blacklist all companies, businesses,and products owned by ebay.? perhaps we need a list so everyone knows who to avoid in the real world.
posted on January 15, 2005 10:29:58 PM new
No sweetie - it's time to get a clue. Although I'm sure that your personal boycott will be good news for your competitors, it's absolutely meaningless to ebay.
Anyone with 2 cents worth of actual knowledge knows that boycotts are never successful and at least 50% of the time they backfire end up resulting in free publicity and additional sales for the company/product in question.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on January 15, 2005 11:10:25 PM new
It is time people got a backbone. too many negative thoughts out there. you winge about prices but wont put your money where your mouth is. this is where we all have to show what we really want and do something about it. you must be an ebay shareholder. oh well good luck.
posted on January 16, 2005 12:39:35 AM new
Don't own any stocks of ebay that I know of, unless one of my mutual funds is investing in them. I don't have a financial stake from the point of view of an investor, and if anyone here has invested in ebay, MORE POWER TO THEM!
Fenix is right, except I think boycotts backfire probably more than 50% - People can waste their time signing silly petitions and calling for a boycott. Thing is if you are a consumer and want to boycott something, then go for it. Maybe it will affect the bottom line. I have participated in a boycott as a consumer before, and let the company know what I was not buying their product. Even if it did not make a difference, it felt good to do.
That being said, I will not be boycotting ebay. I am not buying their product, I am using their platform to make a living. If I found out they were doing something awful like funneling a lot of their money to Al Queda or something like that, then that would be a good reason to re-evaluate my business plan. When they announce a price increase, my reaction is not to boycott, but to try to modify my business plan to make this work. I have pretty much decided what I will do to cover the fees, plus I will start to evaluate other options.
On a personal note, I do hope a lot of sellers do boycot or leave because that would be good for my business. I whine about prices all the time, always complaining about taxes here. Maybe I should boycott the IRS? I guess I can, but I will find myself in a place where I make 19 cents an hour, so I won't need to worry about filing a return lol.
posted on January 16, 2005 12:59:39 AM new
Why waste your time and energy on a boycott?
If you don't like the price of the service, go elsewhere. Better yet, get out there and use your "backbone" to create a better service. If you do, I'll be happy to sign up.
Until then, fussing about what you don't like and don't control is pointless. Ebay is a business making business decisions.
This "somebody otta/shoulda" bull is annoying. People with initative will always survive and whiners will be left behind.
This isn't a freakin Communist country where someone else should be expected to work their butts off so others can sit back and complain.
This is the beautiful USA, where you are free to complain, I am free to ignore the complainers and the people willing to do the work, get paid for it.
Long story short, if you think it is broke, spend your energy fix'n it and quitchurbichin.
Just curious.. if you boycott Ebay, does that mean you will no longer post auctions there? And just who do you think you will be hurting?
Boycotts take out the lowest wage jobs first before you get into the deep corporate pockets. On Ebay, the small, "clutter" seller would get a double whammy if you float that petition.
posted on January 16, 2005 01:38:43 AM new
So what your saying is that it is ok for ebay to rip you off with their prices. that is fine if you want to be ripped off. but why should everyone else be ripped off with their outrageous prices.??
if you read the heading , it said (is it time. )? if as you say that america is a free country and i can complain about companies ripping off its customers. and as you have critised me for voicing my opinion, then i have the right to have my say about you and critise you for being a knocker of other peoples rights and idears. and your right, you have the right to ignore me. so go somewhere else and ignore me and complain there.
i suspect that i have been on vendio and ebay longer then most of you. so i will not go away. you dont own the site, and no i dont either. if you want to join a conversation,and add good opinions or ideas, you are welcome. but if you want to start an argument and critise everyone who is trying to help and do some good for everyone. then go to another site. i am here to stay.
posted on January 16, 2005 03:36:48 AM new
Ebay is ripping me off?? Wow, Maybe I SHOULD do something about that!
I had no idea they were ripping me off. Let me see now, how are they doing that??
They are providing an auction venue that is actually successful. They have the nerve to name their own price for their services. Their venue allows me to work when I want and where I want. How dare they!
Guess you don't expect to get paid for your services? If you owned your own business, you would not charge people enough money to cover your overhead and give you some spending money?
Wow, I feel like such a greedy person. I want to be paid for my time and knowledge. And I want to make enough money to buy more than the bare necessities in life. I am even willing to pay other people for their time and knowledge. That must make me a real sucker, but I prefer to think of it as having some respect for another person's value.
If my mechanic starts charging too much for his services, I'll take my car somewhere else. I would not try to shut him down. His competition will regulate his fees.
Until Ebay has competition, they can set their own prices in the auction business. They won't price themselves out of business until their fees reach a level that would make it more financially feasible for sellers to go back to local alternatives such as antique malls, flea markets, gavel auctions or a real job.
If you have ever owned a business you know that your overhead can be very high and you are operating on someone else's schedule.
Ebay gives us the freedom to work when we want, where we want. If they required me to list auctions between 8 AM and 5pm PST, I might have a problem with it, but so far I like my hours.
I'm not going to shoot my work horse just because he is eating more! I'll either get more work out of him or I'll put him on a diet. A dead horse is no good to anyone but the vultures.
posted on January 16, 2005 03:49:44 AM new
Itray. it is very clear that all you want is an argument. you must have a very lonely life . i feel sorry for you. get a life. i will not answer any more of your dribble. and you have been put on my block list . that way . i dont have to read your #*[email protected] i wont see it. you are 1 of a very small hand full of people on this community whose only pleasure in life is to stir. you have my sympathy
[ edited by agate18 on Jan 16, 2005 03:50 AM ]
posted on January 16, 2005 03:58:28 AM new
Sorry, Itray, I can't agree with what you're saying although I do see your point. When the country is in an economic bind, when thousands of people are out of work, when prices of necessities rise and minimum wage stays the same, it is not the time for any company to raise their rates. I don't care if you're the gas company, the electric company, the grocery store or eBay.
We're complaining here because as sellers, we are going to have to pay these rates or quit selling. However, if you look closely at the picture, we're not the ones paying in the long run. How many of us are going to raise our rates to cover those fees? I'd say almost all of us. In the end, eBay is causing the most damage to its buyers. The very ones it seems to go out of its way to protect from big bad sellers.
Of eBay sellers, it's going to hurt those who buy and sell new products the most. Like me. I try to keep my prices below retail. What's the point otherwise? By the time the fee increase is added to the price, I'll be just a tad below or at retail for what I sell. So, the first to be gone will be the buyers. Not the sellers. Once the buyers disappear in droves, a lot of sellers will be driven out. Are you sure that's not eBay's goal in the long run? Meg wants to rid eBay of it's mom and pop sellers. She has all but said that.
This much I will say. My experiences with the big boys selling on eBay has been less than pleasurable. You can't get answers to your emails. Items arrive - sometimes. Nine times out of 10 now, when I buy from someone on eBay, they don't have an exorbitant feedback number (which they've managed to accumulate in less than a year, BTW) next to their name and they don't have a recognizable name such as Sears.
"There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed."
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posted on January 16, 2005 04:24:07 AM new
I keep saying to myself...WHAT INCREASE??? You mean the increase of FVF in the store listings that amounts to $25/$1000 in sales? You mean the increase in gallery, BIN and 10-day listings? Where exactly is ebay gouging? If it's the gallery, BIN and 10-day listings....the answer is simple...DON"T USE THEM! They are not requisite to selling on ebay
Likewise, if you are a buyer, abandon the attitude of "I only click on something if the seller uses the gallery view" because it's mentalities like that that created the gallery monster in the first place.
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posted on January 16, 2005 06:55:34 AM new
neglus, you are right, my bill will actually go down since I closed my store and will no longer be using gallery. I just needed a push to quit using the 'frills'.
posted on January 16, 2005 07:37:50 AM new
It's clear that LT wants an arguement? Oh please. I disagreed with you say that it must be because I am an ebay shareholder. LT disagrees with you and it must be because he "enjoys being ripped off". I think that you are the one desperate for an arguement and desperate to find the negative in things. As I suggested to Mah - perhaps it would be a better idea to reevaluate your business plan and make the needed adjustments as opposed to spending so much energy trying battle windmills.
If you think that ebay is the embodiement of evil you should probably leave. You should put together your own website and succeed just to spite them.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
