posted on September 5, 2001 10:06:29 PM new
OMG! I would have LOVED to jump off that gorge with bungy cord! So who else watched it tonight? For those who missed it, it comes on again on Suday night, after 60 minutes..a replay.
I can visualize it now. Instead of political threads, RT will be flooded with LOST, AMAZING RACE, SURVIVOR threads, lol. Gotta love the idea
posted on September 5, 2001 10:48:11 PM new
I watched too...thought the challenges to the teams were GREAT...my only complaint is with the editing..I wish that they would keep it in SOME sort of order..."is that team in 2nd or 9th?"..was hard to tell what was going on...JMHO.
Keith
I assume full responsibility for my actions, except
the ones that are someone else's fault.
posted on September 5, 2001 11:26:39 PM new
I'm already tired of the mandatory gay character on these shows. It's the new tokenism. Survivor was first to do it, but at least they didn't pander to the "flamer" stereotype. I turned on Lost tonight just in time to catch that program's gay guy swishing across the Mongolian desert. Saw a preview of him from next week's show saying he was going to try to pass his partner off as a gay porn star. I felt bad for the poor Mongolians who were just minding their own business and had to suffer this guy and the rest of the idiots intruding on their village.
posted on September 5, 2001 11:34:17 PM new
Probably the first network program other than a news show I've seen in years. I didn't watch all of it, but I probably saw 60%. Never saw an episode of Survivor and I felt like others were talking a language I didn't know so I figured I'd watch the race just in case history repeated itself.
I felt pity for the mother/daughter team, poor mom can't do anything right and the daughter doesn't have a lot of patience with her (reminds me of how I deal with my parents.)
posted on September 6, 2001 05:53:13 AM new
I watched, and well, I think I'm addicted (it's a personality thang!)....LOVE the "ugly Americans" (I HAVE to, they are NYers!)....Hope they don't get kicked out too early on, they crack me up!....
posted on September 6, 2001 06:02:09 AM new
I watched it last night too. Not sure if I like it yet or not though. But like Hepburn, I would have LOVED to bungy jump off that cliff!
posted on September 6, 2001 08:05:51 AM newto catch that program's gay guy swishing across the Mongolian desert
LOL spaz! I was thinking that myself, about the swishing. Amazing Race does have two gay guys too, but they call them Lifelong Partners. They weren't flaming, or swishing, and so far, I like them because they are ticking off that black guy who is right behind them all the time and is so obnoxious to his wife. (And please, someone dont get their smithyridlles bunched up because I said "black guy". He IS a black guy and I dont know his name yet).
posted on September 6, 2001 02:14:29 PM new
Aw man, I can't see it till next week. Rabbit ears are supposed to arrive any day now but I missed the first episode. 100 channels on Dish Network and I can't see the good stuff, lol
Come on, Mr. Postman!
[ edited by kiheicat on Sep 6, 2001 02:15 PM ]
posted on September 6, 2001 03:44:19 PM new
LOL! Arttsupplies, you have no clue, do you? To accuse Spaz, of all people, to be homophobic? LOL! Yes, thats a belly laugh. Spaz is the one that teaches the rest of us what homophobic attitudes are. He has helped many of us understand the plight of gays who want to be treated just like everyone else. No, I am not homophobic, but I have been intolerant, due to ignorance. Spaz has helped me in seeing it for what it was.
Chill out. You are reading into this what YOU percieve to be a wrong, and the only one that is, is you.
posted on September 6, 2001 03:49:09 PM new
AND, if you are going to quote me, do the whole thing, and not take it out of context:
LOL spaz! I was thinking that myself, about the swishing. Amazing Race does have two gay guys too, but they call them Lifelong Partners. They weren't flaming, or swishing, and so far, I like them because they are ticking off that black guy who is right behind them all the time and is so obnoxious to his wife.
posted on September 6, 2001 03:54:53 PM new
hepburn,
Your comment Now why the hell would I give a rats butt of what you think I believe or think? goes beyond common courtesy and I'm issuing you a warning.
Not all posters know what stance everyone has on all subjects and it would behoove you to educate rather than post in that manner.
posted on September 6, 2001 04:01:59 PM new
Sorry Joice. I guess I had that coming.
Uaru, that black guy (I will learn his name on Sunday...was hopping back and forth between BB2 and Amazing Race, so didnt get all the names memorized yet) is AWFUL. He is so obnoxious! Those two gay guys are smart..and know what they are doing and are doing it well. They came in ahead of the other's, and it ticked off the black guy and even though there was a camera right there recording, he was being extremely nasty. I hope he loses and his wife doesnt go back to him (they are separated). What a jerk (the guy, Joice, not a poster here)
posted on September 6, 2001 04:06:41 PM newI have many gays friends, both men and women, and they are some of the best people I know. You would probably be offended by some of them too as they, outwardly, are not in the closet. As you would seem to prefer.
Pathetic
I think that up there ^ is not very nice either, Joice.
Now, Arttsupplies, I will tell you that I too have many gay friends. Some are "flamers", some are cross dressers, some are "in the closet" to the public, some are blatant in their homosexuality. I love them whatever they choose to be. Not because of their sexual orientation, but because they are WHO THEY ARE. One of my friends called me last night, and said the same thing Spaz did, but in more colorful terms, about the "swishing" guy. Does that mean HE is homophobic? How can he be, since he is a homosexual himself? (BTW, he said "umm hmm, thats FAMILY, girl" ). He calls me "girl" and he also says other gays are "family". Was what he said bad? Im curious to your answer, Arttsupplies.
errant smiley
[ edited by hepburn on Sep 6, 2001 04:08 PM ]
posted on September 6, 2001 04:41:06 PM new
Going on memory, so excuse me if I am not exactly correct.
Arttsupplies, you said something about "black people call each other the "n" word, and my friend calling other gays "family" amounts to the same thing. So whats your point? It isnt ok for a gay person to say another gay is a flamer, or "swishes"? Or a black person to call another black person the "n" word? Or that its considered ok, if the person doing it is what they are themself? You lost me.
posted on September 6, 2001 06:09:38 PM new
Darn. I'm just seeing this now for the first time.
Come back, arttsupplies, we can have some fun.
What I was ridiculing was the networks' apparent new belief that in order to have a successful reality TV program, they have to have a gay person on board.
It's hypocritical. For decades networks shunned all suggestion of homosexuality, but now because they think they can make a buck on it, they're all too eager to be "open-minded."
But really, just how open-minded are they? Remember when black characters on TV were all ghetto types? Or Amos and Andy types? In other words, stereotypes? They weren't there to convey a positive image of black people to America. They were there to be laughed at. They exhibited all the exaggerated behaviors that ignorant white people attributed to blacks.
Fortunately much of that has gone away now (except maybe for the WB Network). But I was reminded of all that when I watched Lost last night, except instead of seeing a black man featured as the token stereotype, I saw a gay man in that role. That must have picked that guy last night right off a Jerry Springer episode (the worst offender when it comes to exploiting gay stereotypes). He swished, he lisped, he even had the Harvey Fierstein voice.
I think the networks' new spotlight on gays is disingenuous. The corporate programmers try to portray themselves as forward-thinking, but again I think all they see is a new source of laughs and a way to appeal to viewers' curiosity and ignorance.
I did note, though, that Survivor didn't pander to the stereotype. Viewers were aware that Richard Hatch is gay, and sometimes it was referred to, but it wasn't in your face every moment he was on the screen -- just as the other members' heterosexuality wasn't in your face. Not so on Lost.
posted on September 6, 2001 06:16:37 PM new
Gee Spaz you are an outstanding poster and I wish you had been here earlier to make your point. I know you have withstood a lot over the time you have been on board-shows you have a good resilient spirit and ability to communicate. Bravo
Just send the check to the regular drop box! and some great parody from you is always looked forward to! Oooops dangled a participle!
posted on September 6, 2001 06:31:47 PM new
Thanks, Spazmodeus, for your explanation. I had the same take as arttsupplies. It's too bad we had to lose him in the brouhaha that followed.
posted on September 6, 2001 06:44:44 PM newIt's too bad we had to lose him in the brouhaha that followed.
No offense to arttsupplies intended, but anybody who turns their back on an entire message board (and a large group of interesting people) because of a couple differing opinions -- who makes judgments about my values and then slams the door on the discussion even before allowing me to respond -- probably isn't a good candidate for message board discussions in the first place.
posted on September 6, 2001 06:59:03 PM new
Maybe it wasn't the speed of your response that he found offensive. (Your posts have never struck me as homophobic before. That's why the words "swishing" and "flamer" surprised me. I knew you'd have an explanation. My gay friends are quick to use those words among themselves, but most of them take offense when someone outside the group uses them.)
posted on September 6, 2001 07:00:52 PM new
arttsupplies left? Thats too bad, because I was truly interested in his/her take on what was proper or not. And that isnt said sarcastically, either. Like I said above, Spaz has the gift of saying what needs said, and I flub up often. Wasnt my intention. Yes, he/she irritated me by claiming I was a homophobe and I am not. I was warned by Joice, rightfully. Arttsupplies came back and said something not so nice and Joice wombd it, and I had to edit my asking if he/she meant what I as reading, because it was a cut and paste of the same thing Joice womb'd.
I dont want to argue. This topic was to discuss the show. Last night, RT was lighthearted and I had a good time. I dont want to argue with anyone, really. I want to be able to state my opinions, ask for advice if wrong, be shown "the light" if I am, and have debates without people getting 30 day vacations. Is that such a bad thing to ask for? And in case anyone is interested, NO, I am not happy that someone recently was given that 30 day vacation. A day or two would have been good enough, just for everyone to calm down...me included. But it is not in my power to change it. If I could, I would.
posted on September 6, 2001 07:22:46 PM newMy gay friends are quick to use those words among themselves, but most of them take offense when someone outside the group uses them
Now that's just hypocritical of your friends. Either everybody uses the words or nobody does. Nobody has a proprietary or exclusive right to words.
The guy on Lost exhibited the behavior generally associated with the words I used in reference to him. There was no built-in judgment. I could have as easily used the word "queen," which nowadays is used freely by movie reviewers and theater critics and nobody seems to mind.
