posted on October 14, 2001 04:40:42 PM new
"Despite all the rhetoric and mobilization of the police and military, the
only real act of successfully opposing terrorists occurred when civilians
took matters into their own hands on the fourth hijacked plane on
September 11. While our government has failed miserably to protect
anyone, this foiling of a fourth attack, apparently targeted against the
White House, shows that our fellow citizens are still our best defense.
Homeland security and wars against terrorism are not enough. Even a
return to a prosperous economy is not enough. Americans demand and
deserve something far more important: the protection and defense of
America's Bill of Rights.
Our highest priority is, has always been, and should always be, defending
the inalienable rights guaranteed by our Constitution. Every elected
official and military officer is sworn to "protect and defend the
Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic," not the
President or Congress.
Brave American men and woman gave their lives to defend and uphold
our Constitution. That's why all Americans must oppose any action that
undermines those freedoms or betrays these brave patriots and the rights
they fought to uphold. These courageous Americans understood that
inalienable rights cannot be separated from us by any law, regulation,
Presidential order or Supreme Court. We need to respect and uphold our
inalienable rights as indivisible and absolute.
Anything in any bill before any legislature that would infringe on our
rights should be seen as a an unpatriotic action that helps terrorists by
undermining our heritage as a freedom-loving country. Those who tell us
that we must give up our freedom to fight terrorism betray our American
ideals and the real patriots who fought to make America a beacon for
freedom and justice.
Now, all of that is about to change. As reported in the San Francisco
Chronicle, President Bush wants to use a secret federal court to override
the very Constitutional protections that make our country so great. This
federal court has been in secret operation for 20 years and has approved
10,000 searches and surveillance and rejected only one request. If Bush
gets his wish, due process will be suspended as these cases are expanded
to include criminal cases against American citizens and no one will be
allowed to even see the evidence used against them. In California, the
Bush administration is already escalating its war of terror against medical
marijuana patients, using similar secret courts, sealed warrants and even
raiding attorneys' and doctors' offices, in direct violation of the U.S.
Constitution.
Where does our duty lie when both America and our Constitution are
under attack on two very different fronts? Certainly not to our inept
political leaders, who got us all into this mess with their constant
meddling in the affairs of other countries. No, our duty clearly lies with
those patriots who have given their lives for our American freedom and
democracy. It is to those courageous and truly patriotic Americans that
we must be true -- by upholding our precious Constitution and Bill of
Rights, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
It is time for America to act with its brains, not its brawn, and uphold the
very principles that have made America the greatest nation in the world.
America must continue to earn the respect of other countries for its
commitment to freedom and human rights, not because of it military or
economic strength. Whatever course our great country may take, let us
resolve that it will be our glorious Constitution and Bill of Rights, not fear
or false promises of security, that illuminate our path."
Steve Kubby was the 1998 Libertarian Party candidate for Governor of California.
posted on October 14, 2001 04:55:50 PM new
"Whatever course our great country may take... "
You know, I am sick-to-death of people who will rant ad nauseum about the government, their fear/mistrust of it, their saber-rattling "Save our Bill of Rights!" bullsh!t -- none of them ever get beyond their editorializing to a point of offering workable solutions to the problems/ills they perceive. This is just more spew. You're three-for-three today...
posted on October 14, 2001 05:14:30 PM new
In the spirit of non-commentary, I'll offer dis.
During the 1999 raid, law enforcement officials discovered 265 marijuana plants in the Kubby home.
Afterward, he and his wife were charged with almost two dozen felonies.
Kubby said he used marijuana to treat cancer, emphasizing the plants were for medicinal use under Proposition 215.
Charges that Kubby possessed marijuana for sale were dismissed after a mistrial was declared and the District Attorney's Office decided not to seek a new trial.
Kubby was convicted of possessing magic mushrooms and peyote and sentenced to serve 120 days in jail.
He is scheduled to start his term July 2.
Several weeks ago, Kubby told court officials he will not accept those convictions or comply with terms of probation, saying compliance would harm his health.
He currently resides in Canada, and said this week he isn't sure he will return to the United States.July 13, 2001
posted on October 14, 2001 05:17:00 PM new
What I found unreal were gays in San Francisco protesting our war, but homosexuality in the islam religion means death. If they think we are wrong let them go over themselves and solve the problems. It amazes me how people treat our freedoms like a grain of salt.
posted on October 14, 2001 05:48:27 PM new
Hogwash!....Part of our problem is the fact that we (as a nation) have let the pedulum of rights swing just a bit too far off center. We are so dammed worried about peoples rights and the never ending lawsuits that occur for even thinking about violating them that we have lost perspective. Perhaps the time has come to get ourselves back in line. JMO
posted on October 14, 2001 05:54:54 PM new
One or two from here and I talk about things in email, and in other times you would have likely been one of them, Pat. But now....well, have fun. Have you saved Meya's creation for yourself?
uaru,
"in the spirit of non-commentary, I'll offer dis."
I don't know why you think that it matters what his history may be. I suppose by your used style that you think that you're cute, or something. I didn't care to find anything out about whatever his personal history may be, and still don't. I do think that he is a thinking patriot though and that has quickly become a much more rare thing. Certainly there is little exposure such views here, which is why I brought it here.
posted on October 14, 2001 05:56:41 PM newWe are so dammed worried about peoples rights and the never ending lawsuits
BTW, Steve Kubby, the author of that Libetarian Maniflutto filed a $200,000,000 lawsuit against Placer County law-enforcement officials for the 1999 drug raid they peformed against him.
posted on October 14, 2001 06:00:09 PM new
Just because someone owns a Thesaurus and knows how to use it doesn't make them a "thinking patriot". I am one who would rather read the thoughts and opinons of those who post here, not just nifty speeches lifted from other sources.
And for the record, my "creation" wasn't aimed at anyone in particular so you needn't flatter yourself.
posted on October 14, 2001 06:03:54 PM newWhat I found unreal were gays in San Francisco protesting our war, but homosexuality in the islam religion means death
I'm not sure the two things are related. After all, our military strikes are not a war against Islam -- hence, if the gays are protesting the war, they are not protesting an attack on Islam. Rather it would seem they are probably protesting for reasons akin to the objections frequently espoused by krs and hjw.
posted on October 14, 2001 06:17:56 PM newkrsI do think that he is a thinking patriot though and that has quickly become a much more rare thing.
Does it bother you a tiny bit that he's in Canada to avoid jail time in the US? Kind of an awkward status for a patriot for me, but different strokes for different folks.
posted on October 14, 2001 07:31:46 PM new
"One or two from here and I talk about things in email... "
So, what are you saying, Ken -- that you deliberately dredge up articles from around the world which do not support your true views, but merely give you a reason to suck up bandwidth by posting them? Is *that* what DSL has done for you?
Go tarbaby on me if you like -- I'd still prefer to read your personal views on anything, and I'll go so far as to suggest that others here would, too...
posted on October 14, 2001 07:35:30 PM new
Im interested in many views. The problem is, sometimes its impossible to get them without getting talked "down" to for daring to ask.
posted on October 14, 2001 07:42:23 PM new
Can someone explain the meaning of the expression "go tarbaby" to me? In the context of the folktale, a tarbaby is a sticky doll made of tar & turpentine that is used to catch Br'er Rabbit, who sticks to it & is unable to get loose when he strikes it. Somehow, that doesn't seem to fit the usage of "go tarbaby" here and on at least one other thread.
posted on October 14, 2001 07:44:01 PM new
Bunnicula, my use of "tarbaby" was a reference to the fact that no matter what was asked of it, it "lay low".
posted on October 14, 2001 07:55:30 PM new
Ah. In that case, you should say "go Br'er Fox," then. In the folktale Br'er Fox, he lay low until Br'er Rabbit was well & truly caught--then he sprang out of the bushes & caught up his old enemy by the ears (the only thing not stuck to the tarbaby).
posted on October 14, 2001 08:01:43 PM new
Bunnicula, I don't doubt I've got the roles of my Chandler characters mixed up. Whichever one it was that habitually "lay low", that's the one I meant...
Hepburn,
"When we sigh about our trouble,
it grows double
every day.
When we laugh about our trouble,
it's a bubble
blown away."
Swing out, girl, and say any darn thing you darn well please. Hundred years, all new people...
posted on October 14, 2001 08:21:41 PM newplsmith: Joel Chandler Harris (not actually his characters a he noted down folktales told by ex-slaves--though he *did* invent the "Uncle Remus" character to tie the stories together).
posted on October 14, 2001 08:59:51 PM newplsmith: I've got it! You can say "pull a Pakenham." And you could have your song:
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
We looked down the river and we seed the British come
And there must have been a hundred of 'em beatin' on the drum
They stepped so high and they made their bugles ring
We stood behind our cotton bales and didn't say a thing
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets till we looked 'em in the eyes
We held our fire till we seed their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and gave 'em..
Well... we...
Fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Yeah they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
We fired our cannon till the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannonballs 'n' powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Yeah they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Pakenham was the British general leading the routed forces.
posted on October 14, 2001 09:02:56 PM new
Oh, Gawd, Bunnicula, the first line of that ballad is the opening number of a recurring TV commercial here. Convinced me not to buy the CD being offered...
posted on October 14, 2001 09:02:56 PM new
If it is an issue of trust with the govenment I have to say they seem to have decided they can not trust the people first before the people lost trust in them. If the contract of trust is broken It DOES matter to me who dropped it first.
The drug use mentioned is a perfect example. The Federal government went over half of it's history of existance unconcerned what the people swallowed, smoked or injected and is still more concerned with collecting taxes off alcohal or tobacco than any moral hand wringing over the potential harm to individuals.
