posted on October 19, 2001 10:29:25 AM new
AN IDEA. . . .
An Israeli friend recently informed me that the UK
fought the Islamic
terrorist attacks by burying the the criminals with a
pig. Apparently
the
Islamic belief is
that if ones' body is buried with a pig (because they
are considered
unclean)
their soul will go to hell. I did a little research
into this subject
matter
and found it to be true.
This got me thinking. If we put a baby pig on every
airline flight then
all
suicide terrorists would abort their missions as they
would not want
their
souls to go to hell. Additionally, if we drop shipped,
oh say, 100,000
pigs
into Afghanistan I think our recon and assault efforts
may be more
successful. Apparently Muslims dislike the very sight
of pigs A LOT!
They are also adamantly opposed to alcohol, thus we
spike their water
supply
with a few thousands gallons of cosmopolitans, get
them #*!@-faced and
turn
the pigs loose. The war would be over in a weekend.
posted on October 19, 2001 10:39:05 AM new
Interesting thought. In 1857 the "Flashpoint Start" of the 'Indian Mutiny' was do with the possibility that the bullets were greased with pig fat (for the Muslims) and cow fat (for the Hindus). see below
"Rise and fall of British India
By the early 19th century, India was effectively under British rule. India remained a patchwork of states, many of them nominally independant but actually under strong British influences.
In 1857, less than a half century after Britain had taken firm control of India, they had their first serious setback. To this day, the causes of the `Indian Mutiny' are hard to unravel. The dismissal of local rulers, inefficient and unpopular as they might have been, proved to be a flashpoint in certain areas, but the main single cause, believe it or not, was bullets. A rumour, quite possibly true, leaked out that a new type of bullet issued to the troops, many
of whom were Muslim, was greased in pig fat. A similar rumour was developed that the bullets were actually greased with cow fat. Pigs are unclean to the muslims and cows holy to the hindus. The British were slow to deny these rumours and even slower to prove that they were either incorrect or that changes had been made. The result was a loosely coordinated mutiny of the Indian battalions of the Bengal Army. Of the 74 battalions, seven remained loyal, twenty were disarmed and the other forty seven mutinied. The mutiny first broke out at Meerut (near Delhi) and soon spread across
North India. There were massacres and acts of senseless cruelty on both sides but in the end the mutiny died out."
posted on October 19, 2001 10:40:43 AM new
The terrorist spent the night before the attack in a strip joint getting hammered.
Really religious guys huh
I have the opinion (an unpopular one I know) that this attack and other terrorist acts have more to do with a sense of powerlessness
than a deep religious ferver.
It may be coated in religion but power is the root.
It took me years to realize that rape was not a sexual attack but a terrorist attack.
I have been told I was full of it because someone seeking power would not kill themselves. Well I have been to the edge and the root of that was a sense of powerlessness,hating your life but feeling unable to change it.
I think Osama the Rat has just taped into that same feeling with these guys and used it to his advantage.
posted on October 19, 2001 10:50:11 AM new
Interesting concept..
BTW, Zazzie...A heart-felt THANKS to Canada for helping the US with troups.
Sorry Mr. Bush was so quick to point to England as "Our only true Friends", thereby dismissing Canada
That script was re-written to include your country...I was not even aware of this till I saw it on some PBS program yesterday...
posted on October 19, 2001 11:23:57 AM new
Bad theology.
That sort of thing was humiliating to be sure [I bet you would be upset at the thought of ebing buried with a pig, without any religous reason at all] but I'm reasonably certain there's no basis in fact that in Islamic theology "if you're buried with a pig you don't go to heaven".
First of all, who is buried with a pig that such a theological opinion would arise to begin with? Secondly, many people know that Jews and Muslims don't [aren't supposed to] eat pig. Beyond that the details are sketchy, so I can easily see someone thinking that "if a Jew is buried with a pig they believe they won't go to heaven". But that happens to be absurd and untrue and I'm sure it's no less the case with a Muslim, since the prohibition is against eating pig, not lying next to one. Judaism and Islam are "works based" religions, for lack of a better description. In other words, how you live determines where you spend the afterlife. Nothing beyond your control does.
I doubt the Islamic theology of the Brits was sound; I don't doubt that they excelled in humiliating those under their thumb though. This would be a humiliation, but not a deterrent.
Even if this idea were true, it is clear that some respected terrorist supporting Imam would issue a fatwah for their benefit declaring that because of special circumstances they'd still be heaven-bound.
Also, regarding the boozing it up and the strip joints; I was thinking about that. In Islam there is a concept that a shaheed/ martyr has a clear ticket to heaven.
Without getting into a debate about whether they are "Islamically correct", it is definitely the contention of these people that their murderous suicides make them martyrs according to Islamic law, so they are guaranteed a spot in heaven. I am assuming that the guarantee is weighty enough to them that they wouldn't be afraid to live it up "unIslamically" for a little bit with no fear of eternal consequences.
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Oct 19, 2001 11:30 AM ]
Could that be likened to Catholicism and Confession?
Are Catholics guaranteed entrance into heaven by confessing their sins each week?
Not being Catholic, but growing up and living with kids who were and having an aunt, uncle and cousins who are, I could never understand how going to Confession absolved their thoughts and misdeeds of the previous week, when, sure as shootin' those thoughts and misdeeds will be part of their life the following week. At the end of the week, they go to Confession again and are again absolved. It's like a merry-go-round.
I mean no offense to Catholics. It's just something I've never understood.
posted on October 19, 2001 12:50:03 PM newCould that be likened to Catholicism and Confession?
Are Catholics guaranteed entrance into heaven by confessing their sins each week?
I have no idea, not being a Catholic. But all religions have a concept of atonement. In Judaism, for example, part of the process of repentance calls for 'confession' although it's confessing before God without an intermediary.
(actually it's a threefold deal; regret, confession and real resolve not to repeat the bad)
Although Catholics get some bad press because of the 'confess and say three Hail Marys' deal, I'd assume that the purpose behind confession is the same as in Judaism. In other words an integral part of the process of changing yourself is confessing/ admitting to your self that you've done wrong. How can you improve yourself if you can't even admit you've done wrong?
I have no idea where the priest comes in, but that must be the purpose of confession. It's a psychological necessity. That people think 'tell a priest and do it all over again' is adequate must be a mistake. I could be wrong though. *shrugs*
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Oct 19, 2001 12:51 PM ]
