looney2ns
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posted on October 28, 2001 12:50:15 PM new
Shadowcat is not the only one without a credit card.I choose to pay my bills with cash!On bills I send out I pay with money orders (still cash).I never thought I would be excluded from participating in something because I don't belive in buy now/pay later.This is discrimination,plain and simple.Where is my Lawyer???????? LOL!See you all somewhere.Looney2ns
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gs4
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posted on October 28, 2001 02:02:29 PM new
" Is this discrimination? "
No, it's not. It's too bad that it's all going down hill, but one has to find another site.
Wonder what this site will look like in a few more day's???
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MurphyBird
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posted on October 28, 2001 02:06:44 PM new
I don't have credit cards, I don't want credit cards. The only thing I have is my debit card, and while I can use it in place of a CC, I will NOT give the key to my bank account out to someone without a darn good reason. IE, not so they can just have it on file.
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 28, 2001 02:43:49 PM new
I read another post here somewhere that said something about it being illegal to require residents of Wisconsin to give cc info for purposes of identification...
I might have read something like that previously elsewhere too...
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jt-2007
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posted on October 28, 2001 02:49:54 PM new
I do have a credit card but I'm with you, no one needs it for their "file"...unless of course they plan to start charging "membership" for the message boards.
It's just asking for liability on their part. Hope all their employees are bonded and they are hack proof.
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jt-2007
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:00:56 PM new
Not sure about requiring it being illegal, however, in these states, the use of someone else's credit card for identification is a felony:
Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:37:00 PM new
Doesn't Ebay and your Internet Provider require a credit card?
Helen
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jt-2007
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:39:39 PM new
Ebay does, my ISP does not as I mail them a check. I am buying something from ebay.
I would not give it to anyone just for "safekeeping".
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Meya
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:44:43 PM new
I use CC's online all the time to order stuff etc. Using it here on AW to "verify" myself is nonsense. The user agreement that allows AW to change the rules with barely any notice is a huge problem as well.
I've been a member here since August 5, 1999, and have made 4218 posts. I've not hid, I've not changed my ID's, nor trolled under other names (well, once way back but in fun).
They don't need my CC to verify anything.
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:49:08 PM new
Terri,
So, your card is "on file" at Ebay. I don't understand why you would feel less secure with your card "on file" with Auction Watch.
Helen
ed to address poster
[ edited by hjw on Oct 28, 2001 03:50 PM ]
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:49:42 PM new
Been a registered member of eBay since February 1998 - they've never asked me for a cc...
No cc requirement with my ISP provider either...
[ edited by rachelcrisscross on Oct 28, 2001 03:51 PM ]
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:56:00 PM new
People use credit cards to register at hotels, to rent cars...It's not unusual.
Helen
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jt-2007
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:55:33 PM new
Because stuff happens Helen, even at major sites. The more places you have it on file the greater the risk.
In addition, I have been here since near the beginning, have NEVER used a second id even while suspended once for 30 days, have made 4068 posts, Diana knows who I am, and it's uncalled for.
I don't feel comfortable with the policy to chanage on the spur of the moment either. I like to be able to walk away and know AW will not place any "orders" FOR me.
And finally, it's my choice.
Are you trying to talk me into staying? Or just harassing me for fun? Just curious.
~left out an "h"
[ edited by jt on Oct 28, 2001 03:58 PM ]
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Meya
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:58:57 PM new
I think it's because there are currently no fees to post here. Since it is "free", the need to use a CC doesn't wash. If there are plans to make it fee based, AW should be up front about it.
With eBay, you have to pay them for their services. The same for hotels and rental cars.
Go ahead and mark it down...those who register will find themselves at some point being charged to post here. Save this post if you want, it's going to happen.
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:01:05 PM new
Terri
Believe it or not, I would like you to stay.
But, I can understand why Auction Watch needs verification because they can't know everyone as they know you and Meya, for example.
Helen
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:05:15 PM new
Meya
Although I don't believe that the credit card verification is motivated toward an eventual fee, if that should happen, then you have the choice of either paying the fee or removing your info and leaving.
Helen
to clarify
[ edited by hjw on Oct 28, 2001 04:07 PM ]
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:09:25 PM new
Concerning eBay registration...
Rules say cc required only if using anon email addy to register...
I didn't use anon email addy to register...
Guess that's why they never have asked me for any cc info...
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Meya
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:10:14 PM new
I agree Helen, but AW should be up front about it. Their past history tells us that they won't be, and that the changes will come with very little notice. If other message boards were fee based, it wouldn't bother me.
I really think that AW is planning on tanking the message boards completely. They don't have the bawls to do it up front, so they have to create the "need" to do away with them. If enough posters leave, AW will be able to say there isn't enough demand for them, and then they can close them, making it the Member's fault.
It's the principle of the thing really, not the actual registering that bugs me.
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Meya
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:12:53 PM new
rachel, sellers must register a CC to sell on eBay.
As of June 11, 2001, eBay requires all new sellers to place a credit/debit card and bank account information on file or establish proof of identify through ID Verify.
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Femme
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:19:20 PM new
Even eBay allowed us to be grandfathered in.
I would have absolutely no problem paying a fee to AW to continue using their board.
BUT, tell me upfront that you are going to start charging a fee, and let me determine if I want to submit a credit card to pay the fee.
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:24:53 PM new
Meya...oh, yeah - I thought that but couldn't find it (just looked under register page - who knows where they put stuff) anyway, yeah - I was grandfathered in with no cc required - just new sellers since then - I guess (hard to keep track of their rules - but then eBay doesn't concern me a whole lot anymore anyway)...
[ edited by rachelcrisscross on Oct 28, 2001 04:26 PM ]
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:45:17 PM new
Meya,
I don't think that Auction Watch needs to be devious about closing boards. Why go to that much trouble if that is their motive?
When I first started listing on Ebay a few years ago, I depended on the Ebay boards until I discovered the Auction Watch Ebay Outlook. It was so helpful to me and still is. I learn something new there every day.
Helen
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Shadowcat
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posted on October 28, 2001 04:46:33 PM new
Having a CC number on file here is a crock.
How would they know if the card number is MINE? I could be using someone else's number(with or without their permission), as long as the card is valid. That doesn't prove anything about ME.
It's an excuse, pure and simple.
Oh, and Ebay does NOT have a CC number on file for me nor did they ask me to verify anything when I registered.
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:01:59 PM new
In my opinion, it would be totally irresponsible for Auction Watch to allow annonymous posting on an unmoderated board.
If you were in their position, wouldn't you want to verify the members posting on your board.
Helen
ed to clarify
[ edited by hjw on Oct 28, 2001 05:03 PM ]
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Meya
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:04:21 PM new
I can post on Google, or my ISP's news servers with no CC. How is this different? I can post on various message boards, Sierra's, Dell's, and others with no CC.
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:07:17 PM new
Meya
I'm not familiar with those boards.
But how about the AC place. This is the kind of hell that I think Auction Watch is planning to avoid.
Helen
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Meya
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:15:03 PM new
I guess my point is, there are hundreds of various message boards on the net. Some are moderated, and some are not. I've never had to use a CC to be able to post on any of them. Yes, I've had to register, and on some I've had to use my actual ISP email address instead of a free Yahoo or Hotmail account. But never a CC.
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Shadowcat
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:21:30 PM new
Hello? We are ALL anonymous posters here and anywhere else we post under an assumed ID(My birth name isn't Shadowcat, y'know). To claim that any of us are "known" or not anonymous is, at best, naive and at worst, ridiculous.
I have yet to see anyone post using their complete name and address as their ID. Heck, most of the people here don't even use their auction selling/bidding ID for fear of someone messing with that ID.
And how anonymous is posting here anyway? You have to register a name and an email address, which wasn't required to post anonymously at AC. Anyone desiring to be a real troll can get around that requirement NOW and I have no doubt they'll be able to get around the CC # requirement.
I won't even get started on what a load of crap it is to claim that putting a CC# on file will "help" retain anonymity...
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hjw
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:27:33 PM new
Well, nothing is 100% effective in weeding out abusers of the system but credit card verification is a responsible effort that should be taken, in my opinion.
Helen
[ edited by hjw on Oct 28, 2001 05:30 PM ]
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Femme
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:34:45 PM new
My birth name isn't Shadowcat, y'know).
Sheeesh! Another bubble bursting. 
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