krs
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posted on November 12, 2001 01:19:06 AM new
"… Hitler was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1938. Stalin
was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" for 1939 and 1942. Both of
these men, and many others also celibrated by the media, were
unimaginable monsters. The lesson from these facts is that it isn't
easy to spot a genocidal tyrant when you live with one, especially one
whom the press supports and promotes. Tyrants become obvious
only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known.
The German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media
betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American
people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional
role as watchdog against government abuse.
----It is the very nature of power that it attracts the sort of people who
should not have it. The United States, as the world's last superpower,
is a prize that attracts men and women willing to do absolutely
anything to win that power, and hence are also willing to do absolutely
anything with that power once they have it. If one thinks about it long
enough, one will realize that all tyrants, past and most especially
present, must use deception on their population to initiate a war. No
citizen of a modern industrialized nation will send their children off to
die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets, yet
resources and assets are what all wars are fought over. The nation
that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an
attack or a threat to start a war, and must always give their population
of cowards an excuse never to question that carefully crafted illusion.
----It is naive, not to mention racist to assume that tyrants appear only
in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply
because we're Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a
dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who,
unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up
and point out where the government is lying to the people. And unless
more Americans are willing to have that kind of individual courage,
then future generations may well look back on the American people
with the same harshness of judgement with which we look back on the
1930s Germans."
http://whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 12, 2001 08:50:51 AM new
Your article makes U.S. citizens out to be a bunch of blind-folded jack-asses, agreeing to everything that's handed to them with a smile.
Comparing the situation in Afghanistan to Hitler's Germany is ludicrous. Hitler made no bones about his hatred for the Jews or any other ethnic group that wasn't 'pure'. How does this compare to what's happening in Afghanistan?
If we're all so blinded to the facts of this war, then please show us the light. What should we be seeing? What should we be thinking?
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REAMOND
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posted on November 12, 2001 11:27:31 AM new
The writer is also misinformed about the criteria for being Man of the Year. Being "nice", "beloved", or "honest", are not even qualifications. Generally, MOY Time covers are of individuals that have made a large impact on the planet, regardless of the means or ends of his/her endeavor.
Perhaps the writer already knew this and is lying ?
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uaru
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posted on November 12, 2001 11:57:21 AM new
The audience is getting smaller and smaller.
Oh Boy! The Chuck Jones cartoon classic "One Froggy Evening" is coming on!
Later gaters
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hjw
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posted on November 12, 2001 12:46:42 PM new
" Hitler was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1938. Stalin
was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" for 1939 and 1942. Both of
these men, and many others also celibrated by the media, were
unimaginable monsters."
George W. Bush was also Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 2000 and like Hitler and Stalin he was not democratically elected.
Kraftdinner,  is that you?
Helen
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blairwitch
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posted on November 12, 2001 01:39:37 PM new
George W. Bush was also Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 2000 and like Hitler and Stalin he was not democratically elected.
Sad but true. Today on the news it reported that if all votes in Florida were counted properly Al Gore would have one easily. 
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dman3
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posted on November 12, 2001 01:53:35 PM new
This Story about the election is so dead an stinking there is no body left to Shoot why not give it a break.
its friggin' over get on with life already !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 12, 2001 02:30:54 PM new
Helen - 
My comments aren't directed to krs Helen, but to the writers of these anti-intellectual articles. They're all such authoritarians on what's wrong with Bush, the "war", blah, blah, blah, but never mention any solutions or other ideas about the way things could be handled differently. If the purpose of these articles is to enlighten, the only thing that enlightens me is the fact that these "writers" can take an idea, add some theatrics and some possible outlandish scenerios and, in their minds, end up with a "good" article. The funny thing is that they see themselves as part of the solution. 
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 12, 2001 03:27:25 PM new
dman,
Actually, it's still in the news, who knows why. It's not going to do any good rehashing it at this point.
http://home.netscape.com/ex/shak/news/stories/1101/20011112bush.html
[ edited by outoftheblue on Nov 12, 2001 03:29 PM ]
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bunnicula
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posted on November 12, 2001 03:36:54 PM new
It's still in the news because it's still an issue for many. And who knows, if Bush says it often enough people may forget & begin to believe him. Therefore, it behooves the people who are against the way the election tally was run to keep it in the public's eye/memory--only 3 years to go until the next election and we have to go through it all again.
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saabsister
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posted on November 12, 2001 03:42:22 PM new
There was an article in the Washington Post today about recounts. It said that if the recount requested by Gore or by the Florida Supreme Court had prevailed, Bush would have won. But if all the statewide disputed ballots had been counted, Gore would have won.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections2000/recount/front.htm
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dman3
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posted on November 12, 2001 03:53:20 PM new
Doesn't matter its over The winner of the election was bush he is the president.
If they keep all this recount sh*t up before you know it they will be makeing Ross interin president of the USA till a new candidates can be found and a new election held.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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bunnicula
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posted on November 12, 2001 04:02:38 PM new
I sincerely doubt that. But people just may remember Republican Party shenanigans in the election process next time around if they are kept from slipping into forgetfulness as is human nature.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 12, 2001 04:06:42 PM new
The election is a dead horse issue.
The only thing it might help is to get a good turn out for the next election, and HOPEFULLY people will pay close attention when casting their ballot.
In any event, kicking the dead horse now is way too premature to have an effect on the next election.
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hjw
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posted on November 12, 2001 05:20:59 PM new
Hey Kraftdinner!
That sounds like Mr Kraftdinner to me.
LoL!!!
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 12, 2001 05:45:27 PM new
Oh geez Helen....you're right. I am sounding a bit bossy. Maybe it's because most of the people that usually disagreed with me are gone, making it look like I know what I'm talking about. 
Where's krs anyway? Did you post these articles because you feel the same way as the writer?
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hjw
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posted on November 12, 2001 05:51:42 PM new
" No citizen of a modern industrialized nation will send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets, yet resources and assets are what all wars are fought over. The nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack or a threat to start a war, and must always give their population of cowards an excuse never to question that carefully crafted illusion."
Have we just been sitting ducks waiting for an attack that the powers that be knew were on the way? Do you find it hard to believe that with the CIA, FBI and NSA on the job, nobody had a clue?
Helen
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dman3
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posted on November 12, 2001 05:53:50 PM new
I rather think KRS posts these things because he sees a discussion comeing from it after all thats what this board is about
Seems to be working too look at all the views and posts are here ...
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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blairwitch
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posted on November 12, 2001 05:57:37 PM new
I know many dont like talking about last years election, but isnt forgetting and not talking about it exactly what they want?
The only thing that still burns me up is that butterfly ballot. All those people had no clue they were voting for pat buchannan.
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dman3
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posted on November 12, 2001 06:22:47 PM new
Hjw
What fantasy world are you From, and what drug do you use that gets you there I need to know so I can avoid it at all Costs !!!!!
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 12, 2001 06:28:52 PM new
You may be right blairwitch. To get people's minds off the election, he declared war on a group of people that attacked the U.S.
It's a good thing that some people see through the facade.
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hjw
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posted on November 12, 2001 06:32:24 PM new
Gore won even if one doesn’t count the 15,000-25,000 votes that USA Today estimated Gore lost because of illegally designed “butterfly ballots,” or the hundreds of predominantly African-American voters who were falsely identified by the state as felons and turned away from the polls.
Gore won even if there’s no adjustment for George W. Bush’s windfall of about 290 votes from improperly counted military absentee ballots where lax standards were applied to Republican counties and strict standards to Democratic ones, a violation of fairness reported earlier by the Washington Post and the New York Times.
Put differently, George W. Bush was not the choice of Florida’s voters anymore than he was the choice of the American people who cast a half million more ballots for Gore than Bush nationwide. [For more details on studies of the election, see Consortiumnews.com stories of May 12, June 2 and July 16.]
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 12, 2001 06:47:22 PM new
Don't you think it's really 2 separate issues Helen?
Bush pre-9/11 was a bumbling goof who didn't win the election imo. His Bushisms filled a book and he wasn't even in office a year. His policies were unbelieveable - almost to the point where I thought he should be overthrown. I now see a very different Bush who seems to be in his element. I think he's handling things very well considering this has never happened before. Doesn't mean that this cancels out his previous policies though.
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hjw
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posted on November 12, 2001 08:00:44 PM new
Well, I feel that he has done everything wrong from the day that he took the oath of office. And instead of improving, it's getting worse.
Under the guise of protection we are quickly losing freedom that we have always had. For example, Ashcroft has announced a policy under which his agents will be able to listen in on coversations between lawers and clients. Right now this is being justified by a need to interrogate the 1200 people arrested for crimes related to the terrorism.
But by approving this, Bush has essentially declared that the lawyer client priviledge has ended. We have tried some infamous people in this country without changing our justice system.
Recently, the issue of telephone tapping has been relaxed. And throughout history, this freedom has been maintained.
In these small steps, our freedom is being revoked.
I could write all night about how the Bush administration has failed this country but
I have to leave right now.
Later
Helen
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KatyD
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posted on November 12, 2001 08:27:24 PM new
Recently, the issue of telephone tapping has been relaxed.
It hasn't been "relaxed", Helen. The law has just caught up with technology. Cell phones and all that.
KatyD
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lswanson
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posted on November 12, 2001 09:23:23 PM new
Entire message edited out.
[ edited by lswanson on Nov 12, 2001 09:34 PM ]
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