gravid
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posted on May 2, 2002 02:51:23 PM new
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/02/doodle.death.threat.ap/index.html
Don't know what to think of this. If it were an adult it would be protected speech. Since she did not SHOW it or post it to be viewed how can it be viewed as a threat? You have to put it where the person it portrays will see it to make it a threat. Do they really think she is physically able to do what the picture shows? If a boy draws jet plane with bullets streaming out and bombs dropping on the teacher do they think he is coming back with his jet tonight and sraff them?
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Helenjw
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posted on May 2, 2002 03:38:26 PM new
Zero tolerance means zero common sense. What a laughing stock these "educators" are making of themselves.
Last week a 10 year old student was suspended in Georgia for possession of a small chain which attached her Tweety Bird key ring to her Tweety Bird wallet.
Actually, I think that the little girl's drawing was very creative and a great way to vent her hostility in a non agressive manner.
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nycyn
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posted on May 2, 2002 04:43:24 PM new
They should send all these kids to school in NYC. Oly place in the world where you can throw a chair at a teacher, give him/her a few hematomas, then invite them, in vulgar terms, to perform fellatio on you, and IF they haven't used up their alloted two suspension maximum for the year, their punishment is that they get to stay home and watch TV for 3 days.
NY-NY--It's a helluva town!
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Borillar
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posted on May 2, 2002 05:32:09 PM new
I dunno, gravid. Death Threats are usually excluded from protection by the First Amendment.
I can't say that a Zero Tolerance is fair. But who would want to be an educator and have another Columbine happen at your school and have everyone in the community browbeat you for not having done enough beforehand? Or second-guessed and microscoped in the media? Zero Tolerance is good in this instance as it teaches kids that there are limits on behaviour that many parents don't seem to give a damn to teach them about. My family moved a lot, and like NYCY's problems, I went through a few where carrying a weapon was normal and expected, due to rampant student violence. That was back before metal detectors and security guards were put into schools. No, I'm all for Zero Tolerance in this case.
[ edited by Borillar on May 2, 2002 05:32 PM ]
[ edited by Borillar on May 2, 2002 05:33 PM ]
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REAMOND
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posted on May 2, 2002 10:43:29 PM new
There was a case dismissed in court this week for 3 young boys who were playing cops and robbers with their fingers at recess. They were suspended. The court upheld their suspension.
I wish they would put as much time, effort, and attention to teaching them to read as they do being politically correct police.
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Borillar
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posted on May 2, 2002 10:45:08 PM new
"There was a case dismissed in court this week ... The court upheld their suspension."
Umm ... which is it?
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gravid
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posted on May 2, 2002 11:54:03 PM new
If the suit was brought by the parents both statements could be true.
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twinsoft
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posted on May 3, 2002 01:32:20 AM new
I read an article in the Palo Alto Times regarding a vice-principal in a Poway, CA school. Apparently the (female) vice-principal was checking for thong underwear outside a school dance. All the high school girls were required to lift their skirts, in full view of the student body, before the girls could enter the dance. Those wearing thong underwear were refused entrance.
Here's the CNN article.
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Borillar
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posted on May 3, 2002 12:31:00 PM new
gravid, please explain to this dumb one what you are referring to.
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Borillar
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posted on May 3, 2002 12:37:46 PM new
twinsoft, that's a horse of a different color! That a strict dress-code should have been in place and the attending student body well-informed in advance of what the policy is has not been mentioned. That students, upon discovery inside the dance would have been ejected and later disciplinined at school should have been made as well. But Undress Examinations are a No-No! It does not matter if it was Public or done in private; e.g. the Girl's bathrooms, etc. School officials do not have the authority to strip-search students under any circumstances! And it does not matter to me that the examiner was female either! This case sounds like child abuse to me! I hope that they throw the Book at the offenders and lock them up for awhile in a mental institution!
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gravid
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posted on May 3, 2002 04:16:46 PM new
"There was a case dismissed in court this week ... The court upheld their suspension."
Umm ... which is it?
If the parents brought a suit against the school and the court dismissed the case as not having merit to be heard then that would have the effect of upholding the suspension.
It is not one or the other - both statements can be true. It just depends on who is bringing the action. Sounds like it was the parents against the school.
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gravid
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posted on May 3, 2002 04:20:15 PM new
Just require the assitant principle to pull her dress up and show her butt to the court room. Then ask her if that helps her to understand why she should not be asking the girls to do that.
If that does not give her a clue then yeah - fire her as hopeless.
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twinsoft
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posted on May 3, 2002 05:58:28 PM new
The VP will definitely get fired over this.
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posner
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posted on May 3, 2002 09:14:38 PM new
I wouldn't mind having the job.
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twinsoft
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posted on May 3, 2002 11:07:58 PM new
Thong underwear inspector for a bunch of 17-year olds? Not me, no way, uh-uh, nope, never. Okay, maybe.
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posner
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posted on May 3, 2002 11:15:34 PM new
Part time only.
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REAMOND
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posted on May 4, 2002 10:59:10 PM new
Bor- The parents brought the suit- the school would have no reason to bring the suit.
The dismissal acts to uphold the actions the school took. i.e., the suspensions.
It acts somewhat like an appeal- if the appellate court refuses to hear or otherwise dismisses the appeal, the lower court ruling is upheld by default, sometimes even without comment from the appelate court.
In this case you might say that the parents were appealing to the court for actions taken by the school system, and the case was dismissed, therby, for all intents and purposes, the court is upholding the actions taken by the school.
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outoftheblue
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posted on May 5, 2002 12:09:10 PM new
Ok, what doesn't make sense to me is this.
Most schools have zero tollerance policies, but students can still be bullied, pushed round, threatened, slandered and otherwise harrassed by other students with impunity. I've even known of cases where the teachers join in and make fun of students. The schools say they can do nothing to stop it, kids will be kids, etc.
So, in other words, zero tollerance policies only apply to nail clippers, key chains, toys that resemble tiny weapons, doodles and the type of underwear kids are wearing?
[ edited by outoftheblue on May 5, 2002 12:18 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on May 5, 2002 12:28:57 PM new
Things are easier to define than behaviors aren't they?
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auroranorth
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posted on May 5, 2002 05:25:22 PM new
hey twinsoft could you let the school district Know I am leaving ebay and forming a new business called thong inspectors.....
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REAMOND
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posted on May 6, 2002 01:45:31 PM new
Bor- There have been successful civil suits against school systems regarding "bullying".
I think the suit would have to pass the "laugh" test- i.e, do people generally laugh when they first read the suit.
Teachers being involved in name calling and causing emotional trauma, or the school not taking proper action when notified of a situation of physical or emotional abuse have genrated suits, some successful. It seems to turn on how severe the abuse was and how long it was allowed to continue once officials were made aware of it.
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Borillar
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posted on May 7, 2002 06:10:14 PM new
gravid, thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I was having a fairly dense period there for a while. But now it seems so clear and my question so silly. Thanks again.
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gravid
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posted on May 7, 2002 06:35:54 PM new
We all do that at times. Look at something and the pattern just won't come clear and once you see it you say - of course. Trying to communicate this way with text and not seeing any gestures or facial clues is even harder. And the stupid smilies don't really help that much even if they do lighten the mood.
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