posted on May 22, 2002 08:28:00 AM new
I've just been wondering, what would the Palistinian reaction be if some militant right wing Israeli were to blow himself up in a market and kill 25 or 30 Palistinian women and children? Do you still think they would want to talk about the conditions that cause people to want to blow themselves up?
posted on May 22, 2002 08:48:08 AM new
You Can forget getting any real human response to your question here in this forum.
Lets Remember terrorist have already been here in the US and taken out thousand with just a few actions and this group is still arguing against getting any type of Justice for these actions.
they only care about making everyone but them selves look stupid for the way they think..
[ edited by dman3 on May 22, 2002 08:51 AM ]
posted on May 22, 2002 09:12:23 AM new
But they do....they just wrap themselves in a few inches of armor, attach an engine and tracks. Saves wear and tear on the abs and obliques
There are only 10 types of people in the world
Those who understand binary and those who don't
posted on May 22, 2002 12:24:27 PM new
The Jewish religion(s) abhor suicide. I don't know what the Korran says about suicide but they seem to have a wider interpretation of belief within Islam than the Jews have in their ranks.
posted on May 22, 2002 02:41:31 PM new
dejapoo
Most intelligent people would want to know the conditions that cause people to want to blow themselve up. If the cause is ignored, it will happen again and again and again.
In the case of the Palestinians, they have to worry about tanks and jets and state of the art ammunition rather than suicide bombers. They have to worry about genocide...not just 25 or 30 dead.
posted on May 22, 2002 03:27:56 PM new
It takes guts to blow oneself up?? I think I'd rather remain gutless than have my guts splattered on the pavement.
posted on May 22, 2002 04:01:48 PM new
That's a good answer, Mezuzas.
But, some people are living in absolute poverty with no hope for a better future.These poor people are brainwashed to believe that there is a life after death and that there is a God waiting to take care of them . They are also led to believe that their family on earth will profit financially if they blow themselves up.
With that belief, having your guts on the sidewalk but with your family well provided for and a better life in heaven awaiting you, committing suicide may not be such a bad option.
It's unfortunate that they kill innocent people in the process but then you would probably be killing an even greater number of innocent people from the shelter of your tank, as happened in the little town of Jenin.
Of course, they also believe that their act of suicide in a public place is just as patriotic as you believe that it is patriotic to kill as many people as possible from your tank.
posted on May 22, 2002 06:09:13 PM newIt's unfortunate that they kill innocent people in the process but then you would probably be killing an even greater number of innocent people from the shelter of your tank, as happened in the little town of Jenin.
Unfortunate? Criminal is the proper word. As for Jenin, very few "innocent" people were killed by the IDF, Helen. That's been documented.
They have to worry about genocide
Umm.. Helen, the Palestinians of all people really shouldn't throw THAT particular term around, especially in light of their collaboration with Nazi Germany.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/husseini.html
Interestingly, Yasser Arafat has claimed he is a nephew of Haj Amin al Husseini, his "real" name is Abder Rauf Arafat al-Kudwa al-Husseini. Whether he truly is related or not is of question. Although why anyone would want to claim kinship with that monster is beyond me. He isn't even "Palestinian" (imagine that). If you want to believe him, he was born in Jerusalem, but many other historians put his place of birth in Egypt. Regardless, what IS true is that his parents were Egyptians. It would behoove you to know your middle eastern history before you go spouting off about people are living in absolute poverty with no hope for a better future. If you would study the history of these people you will learn that they have always been impoverished, never a pot to piss in, nomadic and mostly illiterate (not necessarily through their own fault, resulting more from Arab feudalism) and the idea of a "Palestinian Nation" is a myth, a fairy tale with no basis in reality or history. Ever hear of Bernard Lewis? A good starting point for the person who is interested in an unpropagandized history and analysis of the region and Islamic culture.
posted on May 22, 2002 06:45:52 PM new
Dejapooh, what do *you* think?
>>I've just been wondering, what would the Palistinian reaction be if some militant right wing Israeli were to blow himself up in a market and kill 25 or 30 Palistinian women and children? Do you still think they would want to talk about the conditions that cause people to want to blow themselves up?<<
posted on May 22, 2002 06:55:48 PM new
KatyD, unlike some other people here who would like to see me vanquished, you have a brain. My question is why don't you use it? Instead of sniveling quips you could concentrate on argument and the topic in order to contribute something useful to the discussion. Otherwise, we may just have to use your suggestion and name this place, Wacko World.
You state, "It would behoove you to know your middle eastern history before you go spouting off about people are living in absolute poverty with no hope for a better future. If you would study the history of these people you will learn that they have always been impoverished, never a pot to piss in, nomadic and mostly illiterate (not necessarily through their own fault, resulting more from Arab feudalism) and the idea of a "Palestinian Nation" is a myth, a fairy tale with no basis in reality or history. Ever hear of Bernard Lewis? A good starting point for the person who is interested in an unpropagandized history and analysis of the region and Islamic culture."
You tell me that if I will study the history of these people you will learn that they have always been impoverished...EXACTLY what I said. And just how do you know that I have not studied middle eastern History? I was trying to simplify the comment for the benefit of the people in this thread.
You have a lot to contribute, KatyD, but your sarcastic quips are unnecessary and don't contribute to the point that you are trying to make.
posted on May 22, 2002 07:20:35 PM new
Just a small technical point. The Israelis are granted aid to buy American arms - but mostly they prefer to build their own. They are often ahead of the US in weapons technology. The US may lead in very high tech matters but for example the drones and remote piloted vehicles the US is starting to use in Afganistan were deployed and used before by Isreal. They have some miniature ones that are so quiet they can hover outside an office building for hours and eavesdrop on the people inside. They have a light hanging below the bottom shining up on the blue bottem and it is adjusted to match the sky. from a few hundred feet it is invisible even if you know where to look.
They have also invented major advances like reactive armor.
posted on May 22, 2002 07:26:01 PM new
Lol! "Sniveling" Helen? Come now. You can do better than that, old girl.
In plain English, Helen, I'm telling you that if you study the history of the region you will learn that Palestinians are not a race, not a nation, nothing much more beyond illiterate goatherders. It's a myth, a fantasy, a fairy tale. There's no truth to it. READ YOUR HISTORY. Even Arabs will tell you this is so. Ask a Syrian. Ask an Egyptian. Better yet, ask a Jordanian. So-called "Palestinians" most recently were never more than impoverished illiterate "Jordanians" and before that a melting pot of immigrants and transplants from various Arab regions and even Eastern Europe. The idea of a Palestine as the "native" land to some obscure race of people, called "Palestinians" is a lie. The name "Palestine" isn't even Arab. It's Roman, and it replaced "Judea". Any guess where the name "Jew" comes from? Lol! That's right, Judea.
Now, do you know why Jordan, who previously "occupied" Palestine, washed it's hands of the "Palestinian problem"? Why Jordan has kept these "Palestinians" in squalid refugee camps, denying them access to education, health service, financial aid? Can you say "pain in the ass"? Hmmm?? READ Darlin', and the answers will become clear. Start with Bernard Lewis.
posted on May 22, 2002 08:09:04 PM newFirst, you need to define radical Muslim. Is that an individual who wants to live in a non oppressive environment?
The irony here, Helen, is that if you lived in "Palestine" or one of the neighboring Arab states, you would be taken out and publicly flogged. Yet here you are defending that lifestyle to the best of your ability, and attacking the only free country in the region.
posted on May 22, 2002 08:23:29 PM new
for argument sake lets pretend Israel did not exist.
would the Palestinians be our allies right now? absolutely not.
as far as people being brave because they blow themselves up? no that is insane.
walking into a supermarket and killing innocent women and children is fanatical and sick.
responding to such a grotesque act with force is normal.
posted on May 22, 2002 08:29:11 PM new
Well, KadyD old girl, That was much better.
"In plain English, Helen, I'm telling you that if you study the history of the region you will learn that Palestinians are not a race, not a nation, nothing much more beyond illiterate goatherders"
You continue to assume that I have not read a history of the region. You say that the Palestinians are not a race, not a nation, nothing much more beyond illiterate goatherders" KatyD, I believe that YOU need to read the history book.
You know, Your description of Palestinians as nothing but illiterate goatherders reminds me of racists who describe Africans as monkeys swinging through the trees....NOTHING worthy of our consideration.
Your answers are becoming perfectly clear, Sweetheart.
posted on May 22, 2002 08:39:25 PM new
wrong!
katyd said nothing of the sort.
You said the words and no one else.
your true soul comes out for all to see.
posted on May 22, 2002 08:57:03 PM new
Helen, then you tell me. WHO are the "Palestinians"? Where did they come from? What is their "ethnic" background. If they have an "ethnic identity", tell me what it is. What were they doing before 1948? Were they "occupied" by another nation? Tell me why you think they have the right to a "soverign nation". Tell me why they are impoverished. Tell me (if you know) why you think the number of "registered" refugees have increased from 500,000 to almost 4 million in UNDER 50 years? So. The ball's in YOUR court now. I'm willing to listen if you have some facts. Don't just post slogans and op-ed articles from liberal media sites and Arab propaganda. Post some facts here. Show me where I'm wrong.
posted on May 22, 2002 09:16:05 PM new
KatyD, your right on the history of the Palestinians, but go further back... in the Old Testament, they were/are? the Philistines. They 'landed' in Israel to start conflicts with Abraham, Isaac and those of the OT.
They are a mixture of peoples, and they are a nomadic people, who choose that way of life, from the beginning.
posted on May 22, 2002 09:25:53 PM new
Yes, going back further, but the philistines were not even Arab. I believe in the Old Testament, the land was known as Caanan.
posted on May 22, 2002 09:27:57 PM new
Right! and (yes this is written in the Bible's Old Testament ) they were the ones that were creating battles to fight with the Israelites.
