posted on June 9, 2002 12:42:03 AM new
On another thread, there was a subject of the Michigan Sexual Offenders List being taken out of service. This was due to the
court action filed by prison guard DANIEL FULLMER after being convicted of having sex with a female inmate of the prison where he worked.
This is a link to the official statement by the Michigan State Police regarding this site.
This brings to mind another crime is itself. From CNN, The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by former state corrections officer Daniel Fullmer, convicted of having sex with a female inmate in 1999 and sentenced to two years probation.
You notice the word convicted is used in this sentence. This guard apparently raped this female prisoner. She obviously was angered by this action and reported him. He broke the trust place in him by the state for the purpose of his empolyment. The state of Michigan didn't pay him a salary and benefit package to report to work to rape women. This really tell alot about him. He has demonstrated that he will abuse women when given the chance. And if caught, he will do anything to clear him rotten name.
It's quite interesting that his name is not on the Michigan Offender Tracking Information System (OTIS). Here's a link to that site. All you have to do in insert his name and you will find he is not present in that system, while others are on probation for even things like drunk driving. After doing some random searches to see how this system works, I've found that some of these records go back to the 1950's or more. So they really don't expire.
posted on June 9, 2002 12:48:02 AM new
Just one more thought on this matter. I don't know this person, or in what city he lives. But I will bet $100.00 that many people who live in the town that he lives, now know about him. Just think, he was angered and embarressed about his name on a list and his neighbor asking about him. Now, due to his further actions, more than just his neighbors knows.
posted on June 9, 2002 04:37:14 AM new
Thiis is a good example of the fact that Michigan is a fascist state without a purpose other than to pepetuate its tax system. There is virtually no system of checks and balances the creatures at the professional board of attorneys conduct are more like pimps than public servants. A laywer that rips off a michigan citizen enjoyes their full protection. The state police an agency set up by Ford to beat and kill strikers is crawling with marginal types who have to lie their ass off to try to make a case with no supervision, The dental board there screwed Dr Robert Nara a promising young scientist out of his career, with a series of stunts worthy of a watergate lawyer. Its major cities are cesspools where a person does not dare send a kid to school. Michigan Sucks would be a good bumper sticker. (I am not referring to the over taxed hard working citizens) I am talking about their occupation government.
posted on June 9, 2002 07:44:12 AM new
While it could be stated better with less inflammatory words the overall basic facts are true.
60% of the population of Detroit is dependant on some form of public assistance to live.
You have to pay a seperate income tax to work or live in Detroit for the privilage of being in danger of crime and living or working in a city that can't keep a straight set of books. has lost huge chunks of needed Federal money because it sits in the bank and is not spent for what it was granted. They can't keep the streets repaired or the street lights on. The police department regularly arrests everyone in sight after a crime as witnesses although they are not suspects. They have regularly arrested spouses or relatives of people wanted to force the wanted person to turn themselves in. I won't even drive through Detroit. I take the long way around if I am driving South.
posted on June 9, 2002 07:51:32 AM new
Good Morning Yeager - Your first link is not working for me....when I click there I'm only seeing script. BUT..might just be this webtv unit. The second one worked fine.
posted on June 9, 2002 02:28:41 PM new
Maybe it should be renamed ACLLLU. LL stands for low life. Rapists, molesters, etc are exactly that...LL. And as each day goes by, the more "rights" are fought over perps instead of victims.
posted on June 9, 2002 10:44:18 PM new
I've been avoiding this hot-button because I haven't known how to respond. I think that it's a question of Fairness. I see two classes of sexual aggressors: those that had consenting partners and those that did not, or it was a child involved. Like the seventeen year-old kid who had sex with the fourteen year old and got arrested and now he can spend his life on a Sex Offender's List with the Child Molesters and Rapists. Or, this guard who had consensual sex with a convict - which is illegal, even though both are adults.
Maybe the solution is to have two lists? One for Real Sex Offenders and a more private one for Consensual Sex Offenders. Or, maybe we shouldn't put consensual sex offenders on the list at all.
posted on June 9, 2002 11:12:32 PM new
That really IS a gray area, isnt it? Just what constitutes sexual abuse? Does the person need to be a certain age? Some guy that is 20 is dating and sleeping with a girl that is 17 and a half. If she wanted to, or her parents wanted to, they could nail him since she IS deemed jail bait according to the law (in california, anyway), and he has a record. To me, that isnt right. However, if that 20 year old guy is having sex with a 13 year old..even 14, then I think its wrong and he should be deemed a pervert, consentual or not. 14 and younger girls have no clue what its all about and are not capable of understanding the consequences. However, I think 15 and older DO understand. This is JMHO of course. The guard deserved to be busted and listed because it was his duty to be a guard...not a supplier of bodily fluids and filling a "need" if she DID consent. Twasnt on the job application "service prisoners when needed"...by either party. Touchy area...gray area...lots of loopholes (pardon the pun).
posted on June 10, 2002 12:21:54 PM new
It used to be that the law was rarely enforced against the upper class monied people. Now that we are seeing sons of proffessional people who live in Grosse Pointe charged instead of just poor black kids from bad 'hoods it is all of a sudden a problem.
You can pass all the laws you want but people pay very liitle attention to laws when it comes to sexual behavior.
I see very little value in laws that concern themselves with sex that does not have an element of violence - rape.
