krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 05:29:21 PM new
Washington State troopers are going to begin random searches of vehicles waiting in lines to board the ferries from Seattle. For the sake of national security they feel it's necessary to do so without the interference of due process of law.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/73657_search07.shtml
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rawbunzel
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posted on June 12, 2002 05:46:58 PM new
Are you reading that other place? I'm in the midst of a discussion about this very thing .
I hate this and I don't even take the ferry.
No going home for you if you don't want to be searched.
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krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 05:57:31 PM new
"No going home for you if you don't want to be searched"
Nice try. 
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Borillar
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posted on June 12, 2002 07:42:05 PM new
"In the state of Washington, you have a right not to be searched by the government unless the government believes that you are intending to do wrong," said Jerry Sheehan, legislative director for the state ACLU.. "We simply do not allow the government to conduct fishing expeditions."
Ferry Capt. Tim Koivu, who kicked off one passenger for not "voluntarily" allowing his car to be randomly searched said, "Some of those measures can be inconvenient to passengers, but everybody's understanding that it's for the good of all concerned."
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stockticker
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posted on June 12, 2002 07:45:53 PM new
How is this different than random searches of cars by American customs officials at the U.S./Canadian border?
Irene
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krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:02:50 PM new
Canadians are suspicious aliens, Irene. Those ferries go US to US mostly, like driving down the street.
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stockticker
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:13:02 PM new
I don't know what it's like now, but in the past U.S. customs officials usually searched Americans returning to the U.S., not Canadians on their way to visit the U.S.
Customs officials are usually looking for stuff to charge duty on. Canadians get searched on their way back from the U.S., by Canadian customs officials.
Irene
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Helenjw
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:20:33 PM new
This is just ridiculous and serves no purpose whatsoever. Arms can be concealed on your body while the car can be squeaky clean.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:23:39 PM new
Last time I drove to canada, they were only looking for cigarettes and booze. Those were the days my friend. HaHaHa!
sp.ed.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jun 12, 2002 08:24 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on June 13, 2002 04:48:16 AM new
Do they search walk on passengers?
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Linda_K
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posted on June 13, 2002 05:48:01 AM new
This past Monday I read an article that the Coast Guard had warned the Puget Sound there could be problems.
I believe this is one area where a little 'flexibility' is needed. After reading that, at any given time, as many as 2000 people could be on those ferries I agree this precaution is a necessary inconvenience. Just like we're having to learn to live with when we fly.
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gravid
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posted on June 13, 2002 07:19:46 AM new
Won't be long before you will need an internal passport to travel interstate anyway. They won't call it that of course. It will be a verified traveler pass or such.
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REAMOND
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posted on June 13, 2002 12:38:39 PM new
This situation is nothing really new and a similar system has already been approved by the Supreme Court in the sobriety check point cases. Don't any of you have the DUI/DWI check points in your state ?
The only difference is that it is a search of the vehicle instead of a sobreity check of the driver, and I don't believe the sobriety check points are random- everyone is stopped. However, the sobriety check points lead to many searches based on probable cause.
What concerns me more is that it seems the govt is scared, very scared. There is no political upside in causing an uproar from these searches, and the costs. But there is a huge political downside if there is another attack.
What does the govt know that we don't ?
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Borillar
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posted on June 13, 2002 01:07:38 PM new
"Don't any of you have the DUI/DWI check points in your state ?"
No, REAMOND. The State of Oregon decided that a strict interpretation of the United States Constitution's simple and Plain English did not need either infringement nor embellishment nor erosion. Such invasions of Constitutionmally Protected Privacy are not allowed here.
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nycyn
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posted on June 13, 2002 01:44:55 PM new
>>Last time I drove to canada, they were only looking for cigarettes and booze. Those were the days my friend. HaHaHa!<<
1916?
Today Rite-Aid would not sell me a pack of cigarettes without ID! I wasn't giving them any ID.
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krs
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posted on June 13, 2002 01:48:10 PM new
"What does the govt know that we don't?
Tecumseh's curse. I've never seen a president so bundled up in kevlar as bush always is.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 13, 2002 02:00:38 PM new
Nycyn
Guess again, you little batard! HaHaHa!
My daughter was married in Halifax, not too long ago - and that is all they were interested in. Maybe they were looking forward to some good loot to confiscate?
HeL Len 
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Linda_K
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posted on June 13, 2002 02:16:26 PM new
nycyn = Today Rite-Aid would not sell me a pack of cigarettes without ID! I wasn't giving them any ID.
Take it as a compliment....can't tell you how many years it's been since I've been carded. 
Withdrawls setting in yet?
Reamond - I've wondered the same thing. But they don't seem to be 'upping' those colored warning lights to the next highest level...yet.
But from what I've read and heard it seems there is a never ending stream of 'possible' threats....possibilities...His hair is getting more gray by the moment.
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rawbunzel
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posted on June 13, 2002 02:22:24 PM new
They do not check walk ons and they only check trunks. Anyone could stash something under a seat. We do have DUI check points on holidays but people protest those as well.
The warning was a general water way warning and was not intended to just be for Puget Sound. At least that is what we heard and was stated on CNN. [take that for what its worth!]Of course we do have Seafair comingand a lot of Naval ships will be in Harbour then. They really should not have them here this year if it is really dangerous. We always have submarines close by.So of course the area is a target.Checking a few trunks isn't going to stop anything. Specially now the bad guys will know to put it somewhere else.
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nycyn
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posted on June 13, 2002 04:08:25 PM new
>>Of course we do have Seafair comingand a lot of Naval ships will be in Harbour then.<<
Hope they do better with pesky little incommunicative Cessnas than Manhattan did.
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auroranorth
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posted on June 13, 2002 08:42:41 PM new
ok stock ticker I will tell you how it is different people going home after a days work are not possibly entering a foreign nation with smuggled things like secret information.
It also shows that you are illiterate one constitutional issues.
The original consitiution said and still does say that no state may unfairly restrict the actions of the citizens of the other repsective states therof.
It means that there is to be no harassement or fees or bs from the free access of citizens of the nation to any state.
we fought two world wars and a civil war without this if Bush can't deal with it with the current laws his drunken ass should go home.
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stockticker
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posted on June 14, 2002 06:58:55 AM new
not possibly entering a foreign nation with smuggled things like secret information.
So you consider Americans returning to the U.S. and having their cars checked on American soil to be entering a foreign nation?
By the way, of course I'm ignorant of constitituional issues. I've never even read your constitituion.
Irene
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stockticker
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posted on June 14, 2002 07:00:41 AM new
I heard on the news this morning that on two different occasions Al Gore was chosen for random security searches and frisked at airports last week.
Irene
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Helenjw
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posted on June 14, 2002 07:41:29 AM new
Stop, Frisk, and Fight
The Washington Post reports today that a federal civil jury has ordered Prince George's County and three of its police officers to pay a Temple Hills man $4.1 million, finding that the officers violated the man's civil rights when they beat him so badly that he lost his right eye and partial use of his left hand.
Freddie McCollum Jr., 53, a former construction worker, was beaten by the officers and bitten by a police dog after he was stopped for a traffic offense near his home about 9:30 a.m. June 27, 1997, a Saturday. According to testimony during the week-long trial, McCollum went to his nearby house to retrieve his driver's license after being stopped. Lawyer Michael McGowan, one of McCollum's representatives, said police testified that McCollum slammed the door on the arm of the officer who had stopped him. That officer then called for backup, and the three officers allegedly entered McCollum's house without a warrant, found him hiding in the attic, stomped him, beat him on the face and ribs with their batons, and then set a police dog on him. The county's version of the story was that McCollum and two officers all fell eight feet when the attic floor gave way, but that only McCollum was injured.
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auroranorth
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posted on June 14, 2002 09:49:29 AM new
stockticker you are an excellent example of someone who either has alzheimers or is just mentally unpreared for lifes challenges.
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stockticker
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posted on June 14, 2002 09:55:32 AM new
No, I am an excellent example of someone who tries to educate herself by asking questions. Note all the questions I asked on this thread.
Asking questions is usually a sign of intelligence.
Instead of answering questions, you insult.
Irene
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auroranorth
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posted on June 14, 2002 10:02:08 AM new
Yes they did search Gore and actually he is looking better all the time.
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Borillar
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posted on June 14, 2002 12:43:36 PM new
>Stop, Frisk, and Fight
Helen, that Guy is lucky that he wasn't living in Portland, Oregon! Here, the police would have gone into his house illegally and then pumped about 42 bullets into him! The police would then say that they had "probable cause" such as "I smelled marijuana burning from inside" or other lie and an equally thin other story as to why the Guy got badly wasted. You DON'T slam door on the arm of a cop here ~ it's a Death Sentence!
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Helenjw
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posted on June 14, 2002 01:12:37 PM new
Every now and then, a traffic offence warrants a death sentence here too. This guy was incredibly lucky. I'm not sure that I would want to be in his shoes even now.
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auroranorth
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posted on June 15, 2002 10:13:54 PM new
any one out west ever notice how much bob mathews looked like the missing oklahoma bomber ?
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