stusi
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:22:00 PM new
With the current states of the Democratic and Republican parties, can there really be such a thing as a conservative or "right wing" Democrat, or a liberal or "left wing" Republican? Should not the names of the two parties be changed to Liberal and Conservative as these labels somehow better seem to encompass the thinking of the majority of the members?
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rawbunzel
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:32:50 PM new
Nope, I think we need a third party that rightly reflects the views of those of us that are neither party and are more middle of the road. Both parties are too far out there for me anymore.
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:45:54 PM new
No. Personally I can think moderate or 'middle of the road', and sometimes what you may consider liberal.
I don't think its that black and white, cut and dry, whatever... conservatives and liberals. I see lots of Democrats being somewhat conservative, and visa versa
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REAMOND
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:49:28 PM new
Did anyone watch the Pioneer show on PBS last night ? LOL.
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stusi
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:49:56 PM new
rawbunzel- My tongue-in-cheek proposal doesn't preclude a third party- perhaps the Middle Of the Road Electorate= M.O.R.E. I would probably join you there! Campaign slogan= We want MORE!
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stusi
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:51:34 PM new
REAMOND- the Frontier Party has your allegiance?
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Linda_K
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posted on July 18, 2002 01:51:38 PM new
Tell us about it please, Reamond.
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REAMOND
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posted on July 18, 2002 02:22:07 PM new
Three families were placed in frontier settler conditions of the late 1800s in I think Montana. It was a very enlightening show.
I think at least one family was ordered there by Homeland Security because they were illegal immigrants. It was a Republican conspiracy.
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2002 04:11:18 PM new
Reminds me of a Mexican farmer who was asked if he sided with the Federales or the rebels.
He said they are all men with guns and when they come through they all steal my chickens so what is the difference to me?
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Linda_K
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posted on July 18, 2002 04:18:10 PM new
Reamond - A republican conspiracy?  I think we watched that a while back. The three families left all modern conveniences and had to survive like they did in the 1800s.
One was a young man who during the show took a bride, another was a family of 5 [one was a cousin] and his family was having a huge home built in Malibu, CA. and then another family that I believe was from Tennessee. That was an interesting program.
And to stay on topic....as most can tell from my posts ...I'm pretty much am a conservative.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 18, 2002 04:19:57 PM new
LOL gravid. Seems that way doesn't it.
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auroranorth
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posted on July 18, 2002 06:11:20 PM new
Gravid
Reminds me of a Mexican farmer who was asked if he sided with the Federales or the rebels.
He said they are all men with guns and when they come through they all steal my chickens so what is the difference to me?
only problem is that the interview and the farmer and the farm are in Illinois.
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profe51
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posted on July 18, 2002 09:48:33 PM new
I ,personally ,have decided to become a Presbyterian....
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2002 09:54:53 PM new
auroranorth - Tan malo verdad.
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2002 09:59:56 PM new
presbyterian - characterized by a graded system of representative ecclesiastical bodies
How do they grade them profe51?
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profe51
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:18:10 PM new
on a curve, I think.......
mientras que platicamos el idioma,
"en boca cerrada no entran moscas"
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Borillar
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:28:19 PM new
Stusi, I think that no matter how you want to work it out, there are always two distinct parties because they represent the interests of the two dominant classes: the Haves and the Have-Nots. The Republican Party is the party of the Haves and the Democrats are the party of the Have-Nots. What the Socialist Revolution did was to create a middle-class, a sort of Have-Some for the first time in history.. It is this Have-Some that has seldom been represented. Both parties have been trying for many years to tear down the Middle-class; especially the Republican party. With each administration, the Middle-class has been whittled away to near non-existence. You hear that the Rich keep getting richer and the Poor keep getting poorer? The problem that it relates to is the shrinking of the middle-class. If you want a third party, one that represents the moderate, middle-of-the-road, then you better make sure there's a *huge* middle-class.
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:28:51 PM new
Was my usage that bad? Flies taste nasty.
Tenga la bendad para decirme.
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:33:03 PM new
If you have to choose between a party of the rich and a party of the poor who would choose the one for the poor unless they have given up all hope of ever becoming rich?
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profe51
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:34:24 PM new
gravid:
A mi parece que hablas bien. Un chiste, no mas.....
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:40:03 PM new
Usted es esta noche tan chistosa gravid. 
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profe51
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:48:28 PM new
I have long registered independent because I vote for people, not parties. I usually find myself in the uncomfortable position of being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, ...can't buy anybody's entire line and so won't put my name to any of their parties...
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2002 10:59:20 PM new
Agreed - I'm not happy with any of them.
Probably never will agree with more than three people together at once about anything more important than where to go for lunch.
Kraft - My wife thinks I'm funnier the more serious I get. If I TRY to be funny she looks blank at me and says "Huh?"
Well it is 2 AM here - finally cool enough to sleep with the window open. No worry about what will come in - unless he is a second floor burgler..... night all.
[ edited by gravid on Jul 18, 2002 11:05 PM ]
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Borillar
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posted on July 18, 2002 11:03:10 PM new
That's how most of us anymore, prof. There is a general decline in party-line voters. I think that's it's a response by voters to try to form a better government. For instance, voters in the last thirty years have tried a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress, a Republican President with a Republican Congress, a mix of President from one party and a Congress dominated by the other party. We've even tried third parties, but the existing two party system keeps making up all the rules and they make up all the rules that keep third parties from having a chance. We've tried to single out the creeps, lairs, thieves, crooks, and assorted criminals and vote them OUT, but the ones that come in often end up being just as bad if not worse. In the last Presidential election, this rouge Supreme Court voted against the United States Constitution to appoint our current president - we didn't even get to vote, as none of our votes cast counted at all once the Supreme Court overthrew the United States Constitution.
So, you can keep trying out your method of voting to improve government. Others will keep trying to get a third party in (that's mine), and almost all Americans will give up entirely. One more election like the last one, and not a single person will be left who desires to cast a vote.
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profe51
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posted on July 18, 2002 11:09:17 PM new
Sometimes I wish McCain had gone 3rd party in the last election. How do you think he would have done as an independent?
I'll read your response in the morning, the dogs are after something outside.....
[ edited by profe51 on Jul 18, 2002 11:10 PM ]
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Borillar
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posted on July 18, 2002 11:46:18 PM new
I think that McCain would have made an excellant vice-President if he had Ralph Nader as the President. They would have won, too!
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Borillar
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posted on July 18, 2002 11:50:16 PM new
I think that it's going to take moderates from both parties to leave their current political affiliation and form a new party without the old exteemeists from either party in order to get a viable third party together.
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auroranorth
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posted on July 19, 2002 12:00:36 AM new
its the supposed moderates that did this slick political suck up experts who dont agree with anything that even they stand for just what the computers tell them to say.
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Borillar
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posted on July 19, 2002 09:17:56 AM new
Huh?
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Libra63
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posted on July 23, 2002 08:27:41 AM new
Borillar you keep talking about the last election. Get over it. It is done, finished, move on. If you don't like what happened be thankful that in a couple of years you can vote again.
Just be thankful we didn't get Gore for a President. If I voted democrat I would not have voted for him anyway and the reason being if he would have had any brains he would never have stuck by that president, that is one reason he was a loser. The other one is the people in Florida screwed up the election by not following the rules of voting. Move on!!!!!!!!!!!!
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