posted on July 26, 2002 02:03:51 PM new
"If you would like to leave an anonymous tip click here"
(a graphic on the site reminds you that a reward will be paid where convictions are obtained)
Have an obnoxious neighbor? Having trouble getting custody from your spouse? Have a business competitor who has too much on the ball? Denounce them for drug crimes in complete secrecy and security so they are a target for arrest and forfiture. Think of the fun watching while the swat team breaks down their door. Shucks - with a little bit of luck they'll be shot dead - and the cops usually have a little reserve bag to make it OK if there is nothing there to be found. Who needs TIPS? Don't forget your video camera to record the fun.
I followed the links to the government web site on drugs. They claim that they seized 1/3 oz. of cocaine for every current user in the US in the year 2000. I find that very hard to believe that the industry would be willing to sustain that level of loss. They claim 234,863 pounds siezed, and 1,213,000 users. Any opinions on how many oz. per year an average user runs through?
posted on July 26, 2002 06:10:21 PM new
Gravid,
This site is just not about that. This is a site for mom's and dad's against drug dealers. They need help. They need donations. They need volunteers.
Yes, there is a place for tips for drug dealers. This is about stopping the people who are selling drugs to our loved ones. Not a neighbor that one is upset at. They forward it to the local authorities. I would think that the police can discern who and who is not selling drugs.
I have myself volunterred to pass out flyers, will be on their state advisory board when it is started up in my state. And whatever else I can do.
Drugs are at an epidemic poportions. Did you know that most people going into treatment centers are young kids in the 18 to twenty range? Most are addiacted to oxycontin? There are also numerous kids dying. These kids have paid their price. What about the person that was selling them the drugs on a regular daily basis? Should they be alloweed to continue on selling? Cause believe me that is what the majority keep on doing.
Or when a loved one is dying right before your eyes. You can see it and so can everyone else. Along with the drug dealer, they see it also. And they keep selling to them. Is this right? The only way to stop these people, is with us. As a parent I have a responsibility. And I will do whatever it takes to do my part. I can't do it alone. And neither can Dammadd.
posted on July 26, 2002 06:37:57 PM new
The only time we had a loved one approuched with drugs her brother and I made sure the fellow would be gone that night out of town or dead. He picked the move - just barely. He was on his front steps when my friend Mike went up over the lawn and took the steps out with his car. He was a really fast fellow to make it off the steps before they were wiped out and when the house caught on fire that night just before his front windows were shot out it really made him feel - well - unwelcome. House was empty in the morning. Good thing - he would have never made it to nightfall. Hot lines - ha - the damn cops knew where he was and what he was doing. They are twice as dirty as the scum that sell it.
They can "discern" who the dealers are. After all they have to know who they are getting the payoffs from. But they still raid people who have big ranches or bowling alleys to seize for forfiture with not a gram to be found anywhere. If you know who is feeding your kids dope and sit around like an old woman wringing your hands - shame on you. Get some balls.
posted on July 27, 2002 09:34:45 AM new
Interesting, the whole site is about drugs, except if you look at the tip sheet, under "type of drug" and "type of tip" pull down menus, there is also listed "terrorism" as an option!
posted on July 27, 2002 09:57:15 AM newLeave a tip: The anonymous tip you leave will be sent to the appropriate authorities, and if a conviction occurs, you'll get paid.
Hey, cool contest. I've already snitched on several of my neighbors. If I'm lucky, they're doing something suspect and I can cash in. Excellent!
posted on July 27, 2002 10:12:52 AM new
LOL! Profe51,
Evaluating the info on some of these sites is a real challenge sometimes.
They accept donations and forward tips to the "appropriate law enforcement agency". I wonder what that agency is?
I once had the name, auto license number and address of a drug dealer but no police officer or even the DEA was interested.
posted on July 27, 2002 10:31:17 AM new
We are at the stage now where they assume it is all interconnected. The official line is drugs are used to pay for terror and as soon as they can they will tie in any form of civil protest about anything antigovernment=terror. Don't like the world bank or the NAFTA? You are a terrorist. Belong to a funny little church that meets in somebodys home instead of a stainedglass palace? = terror. Belong to an animal rights group or a "green" organization? Opposed to gene altered food or abortion? = terror. Want to save some wilderness or belong to an alternate health group? Think you should be able to vacation in Cuba or use marijuana for your MS? Almost anything can be folded into the broad broad powers they have given themselves to deal with you buddy boy!
Yeah I had that problem with the police also.
Tell them somebody is dealing in plain site and they tell you you are not an expert and to mind your own business. We saw an old Sicilian man go up to a drug house in Ohio and put the black hand of death on their front door. It "offended their honor" for him to be there.
Believe me they were not there the next day either just like my experience. They knew what that black hand print meant!
posted on July 27, 2002 10:50:24 AM new
The agent at the Drug Enforcement Agency told me that the local police officers were not interested in my problem because they were traffic cops.
Something that would get their attention would be expired auto tags or possibly a car parked on the street headed in the wrong direction.
What I needed was a good southern gentleman. Anybody in my southern family could have handled this idiot but they were too far away.
posted on July 27, 2002 02:08:41 PM new
If this is an indication of the average experience with reporting druggies to the cops it is sad. Have yet to hear someone say they got a snappy respectful audience. Don't worry - we are just taking care of our own. You can sit and wait for de gubamint to help you and we won't interfere.
If they wound up the war on drugs next month they would lose all those funds from Washington and the local look the other way money. It's like wanting Social Services to wrap up all their cases - that's their bread and butter - They won't put themselves out of work. Shucks - look at the social services in Florida. They can't even be bothered to check every year or so and see if the kids they are assigned are still alive. Just send in the paperwork and sit on their butt. I mean what are the chances they aren't there? Nothing to get excited about. If there was anybody going to be worried about them they wouldn't be in the system would they?
posted on July 27, 2002 02:29:19 PM new
Did you hear about the latest incident in Florida with social services? A Social services agent was found drunk in a car with an infant...transporting the infant from the foster parent to the mother. When caught, she was unable to drive or walk. A bottle of rum was found in the car.
I never could get the site to come up but I just want to say that I admire what you are doing.
It takes people like you who care to get something done. You CAN build a mountain out of a mole hill. I don't know what it is like in other parts of the country but in my rural area (anhydrous ammonia easy to come by or steal) crystal meth. is a big goer and over the last few years law enforcement agencies have been very vigilent in catching quite a few of the people who have been making it. Of course, as they go to jail there are others who are willing to step in and take over but all in all I would say that they have put a pretty big dent in the problem.
It's people like you who have made the difference.
I also noticed that the site offers 'at home' drug testing kits.
copied and pasted:
About Us
On January 29th, 2001, I lost my 19-year-old son to an accidental drug overdose. There are no words to describe the pain of my loss. On that day, Dads and Mad Moms Against Drug Dealers was born. DAMMADD is a grassroots anti-drug organization committed to helping in the fight against the drug problem in our communities, our workplaces and our schools.
posted on July 28, 2002 05:50:57 AM new
That's too bad. They already lost the most important fight at home before forming the organization. There has to be a lot of guilt associated even if they did their job with the kid. Sometimes you put everything right out in front of them and they act stupid anyway.
So - Calamity 49 did you help the local cops find those meth labs? Those things stink. Not hard to tell what they are doing if they let anyone on their rural property. Like to hear your war stories...
Maybe you can focus on the practice of drug distribution at schools when you start to tackle this problem. In our area, schools which are designated "drug free zones" are in fact, the place where most children buy and sell drugs. I know this based on my experience with a family member. At first, I thought that a move from one school to another might be the answer but unfortunately, this was not the case. In fact, my personal physician told me that it was impossible to find a drug free school in the Washington metropolitan area and that I was wasting my time and energy trying. As a matter of fact, he told me that he saw more drug related problems in a local private school than in public schools.
So, I found myself seeking help from law enforcement agencies, schools, social services, the medical community and finding help nowhere.
One dim light on the horizon is that it's easier to get help for a drug addict if they are a criminal and disowned by their family.
posted on July 28, 2002 07:45:48 AM new
I am just another mother in another state. I found this Dammadd site from an interview the founder did on the O'Reilly show. Who did lose his son. He was I believe only 19 years old.We are losing Dare in our schools. They need help and, I am willing to do it here in my area.I am one of the lucky ones I still have all my children. But there are so many out there that have lost their's. This madness needs to end. I suppose you can't stop it all. But we can try. We can stop some of it if everyone works together.
A few weeks back, my neighbors was telling me that a 19 year old girl sold her daughter who was 12 a joint. Where does it end?
posted on July 28, 2002 07:55:03 AM new
sideslam - I am just another mother....
I don't see you as just another mother[/i]. I see you as a fighter for our children and what drugs are doing to them. [B]You're a hero....to me and millions of other's like me. You are choosing to take action, not just give it lip service. Cheers to you and all others who do so.
posted on July 28, 2002 12:38:17 PM new
Part of Dammadd is to educate the children. Like they have been doing with Dare. They go into the schools and educate them.
LindaK, as far as me being a hero. I'm not. The hero here is the founder of Dammadd. He was the only one who cared enough to do something. Please give it where it is due. All though I appreciate it. I don't feel that.
When I saw him on O'Reilly show. I said I am not the only one. There are other people that feel drug dealers should have to pay a price to. His son paid the ultimate price. Shouldn't there be something for the person who was selling to him to? Most of the time no one is charged in these cases. I have only heard about 1 so far. Did you know that most of these drug dealers that are dealing on a regular basis can see what it is doing to the person. And they don't care. They only see dollar signs.
We had just in the last year a mother of a 14 year old girl, that was injecting herion into her 14 year old friend. The mother is is jail now. Rightly so. Most of the time with the harder drugs I have read that most are given to kids by adult. How pathetic. That we even have to worry about other parents.
We are always worried that our kids will do drugs and get them from other kids. And it does happen. All the time.
But it is not just other kids. I have found that a lot of kids are getting hard drugs, are getting them from adults. And most of the times these adults have children themselves.
How naive I was. That was the whole thing with this. I never thought in my wildest dreams that other parents would sell drugs to my kids and others out there for that matter. And they are doing it everday.
I am not saying that all parents do, cause we all know this is not the case. Cause most parents care about not only their own children and other children as will.But I suspect this is a bigger problem than most people think.
As far as the 12 year old getting the joint from a 19 year old. The 12 year old was grounded. And not allowed over at the girls house anymore. Did they call the police? No. They told me they didn't find out till two weeks later. If it had been me I still would have called, two weeks or no two weeks. But that was not for me to say.
But now this 19 year old thinks this is okay. Who will she sell to next? What age? And what else will she sell to the next kid. Don't you think that she should have been taught a lesson also? That it is not all right to sell drugs. If she will sell to a 12 year old. She will grow up to sell to anyone, anything. I realize she is only 19. But there should have been consquences for her part. The parents should have been notified along with the police. My opionon.
As far as the mother injecting the 14 year old I will copy and paste the story on here. So you can see for yourself. And some things that teens have said that will help them avoid drugs. I have this on another website so I am hoping I can still find it.
Thanks for all the support. And please help Dammadd.In whatever way you can.
posted on July 28, 2002 12:56:14 PM new
A Warren woman charged with injecting heroin into her teenage daughter's friend withdrew her guilty plea Tuesday after a Macomb County judge called her a bad mother and vowed to increase her sentence eightfold.
The case against Lisa Marie Haven,45 now is scheduled for trial June 4.
During what was expected to be Havens' sentencing hearing, Circuit Judge Mary Chrzanowski lambasted Havens' behavior, saying she would impose a minimum 15-year sentence if Havens entered the guilty plea.
That proposed punishment was much more than what state sentencing guidelines call for -- that Havens receive a maximum 23-month sentence. But a state law says a judge can add to that sentence if there is a "substantial and compelling reason," which Chrzanowski said she found.
"This woman injected her own child, her child's friend with drugs," Chrzanowski said before asking Havens: "How could you do something like that and call yourself a mother?"
That prompted Havens to withdraw her plea and ask for a trial.
Warren police arrested Havens on Dec. 27 after a 14-year-old girl, who was a friend of Havens' 15-year-old daughter, told her parents she used heroin at Havens' home.
The friend told Warren police that before Christmas she had used heroin at Havens' house on Milton Avenue about 10 times. Police said the girl claimed Havens injected both girls to show them how to do it.
The teen repeated her claim at a District Court hearing in January. Another youth testified at that hearing that he watched Havens inject the girl. At that time, Havens had denied injecting anyone with heroin, her attorney Mark Cardellio said.
Cardellio declined to comment after Tuesday's hearing.
On March 6, Havens pleaded guilty to four counts of providing narcotics to a minor in exchange for a prison sentence of less than two years.
Havens is jailed in lieu of $400,000 bond. Havens' daughter now lives with a maternal aunt and is not allowed to contact her mother except by letter.
The 14-year-old was not present in court Tuesday, although her parents were.
"Today, we really saw the magnitude of what she did," said the girl's stepfather, who asked not to be identified. "We didn't expect her to receive that much time.
"She already pleaded guilty -- that, everyone knows," he said.
posted on July 28, 2002 01:00:19 PM new
Tips for parents to prevent abuse
Students Against Driving Drunk and the Liberty Mutual Insurance Co. recently surveyed teenagers on how parents can best prevent teen alcohol and substance abuse.
Seventy percent said waiting up for teens sends an important message.
Sixty-two percent recommended setting a curfew and enforcing it.
Fifty-eight percent urged requiring teens to sleep at home, not at a friend's.
Fifty-eight percent suggested the rule that teens wake parents when they get home.
Fifty-seven percent suggested calling the parents of the friend with whom the teen said he or she was visiting.
Fifty-four percent recommended having your teen call home while out during the
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They endured their 14-year-old daughter's mood swings. They saw her eating habits deteriorate. And they smelled the body odor that reminded them of rubbing alcohol.
But the suburban Detroit parents never suspected that their youngest child, a seventh-grader, was using heroin until a school counselor called to say that two of her friends claimed their dark-haired daughter was doing just that.
A trip to the doctor to draw blood for a drug test sparked the girl's tearful confession.
"It floored both of us, because we don't do drugs and we don't tolerate drugs in our house," said the girl's 52-year-old stepfather. "We thank God we caught it that early." Her parents' names are being withheld to protect the teen's identity.
As the 1998 arrest and conviction of a 16-year-old Oakland County girl -- who pulled stickups to feed a $200-a-day heroin habit -- showed, what parents don't know about their children's illegal drug use can hurt their families.
In the annual national survey of youth drug abuse by the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research, the percentage of eighth-graders who say they used heroin at least once rose dramatically in 1996, but has since fallen. The institute recently reported that the percentage of eighth-graders who admit ever using heroin fell from 1.9 percent in 2000 to 1.7 percent in 2001.
Marijuana use by this group dropped from 22.6 percent in 1997 to 20.4 percent in 2001, the survey said.
Hard data from blood or urine drug screens is spotty. Not all kids placed at Oakland County Children's Village -- which houses juvenile delinquents and abused or neglected children -- are tested for illegal drugs, although 180 were tested during the last three months of last year, said facility director Mike Worrell. Only one child tested positive for opiates, Worrell said.
Dallas Coleman, chief of casework services for Oakland County Circuit Court, said heroin is "not one of the drugs kids will readily admit use of." Coleman said he estimates that of juvenile drug users, maybe 5-10 percent use heroin, although he wouldn't call their use an addiction.
At the Wayne County Juvenile Detention Facility, all children admitted are tested for illegal substances, said Department of Criminal Justice Director Jeriel Heard.
In 2001, 90 Wayne County children tested positive for opiates; half of those kids were from the suburbs, Heard said. The 90 represent 2.5 percent of the 3,300 children admitted to the facility last year.
"That doesn't mean that all of them have become hard-core users," Heard said. "Some of them are in what we consider to be in the experimental stage. We suspect, based on clinical assesments, that approximately 50 percent of those testing positive" for heroin "need some kind of treatment."
Heard and others noted that adults are responsible for introducing hard drugs to kids.
If they are talked into experimenting, they need an adult to show them how to prepare the mixture and then inject it into a vein or under the skin in an unexposed area -- a technique called "skin popping."
That's what allegedly happened to a 14-year-old Warren girl. She said she repeatedly rejected suggestions from her best friend's mother that she join in using heroin at the woman's Milton Avenue home. She finally gave in, the girl said, and 45-year-old Lisa Havens injected her with heroin -- the first of at least 10 times, the girl later testified.
Warren police arrested Havens on Dec. 27. Her trial is June 4.
Havens, who has been jailed under $400,000 bond since late December, faces sentences of from one to 40 years in prison on each count of providing narcotics to a minor. Her attorney, Mark Cardellio, did not return phone calls for comment.
"I don't want her to be in jail for 40 years," said the teen's mother. "I just want the woman to get some help and I want her daughter to stay away from her until she's 18 and got a mind of her own and her mother can't talk her into doing these things."
The Warren teen's parents said they were disturbed when their daughter said she had shared needles with her best friend, Havens' 15-year-old daughter. Those involved have tested negative for HIV, the couple said.
Their daughter later admitted using heroin up to 25 times with Havens' help.
"She was going through withdrawals, shaking, not eating, throwing up, stomach cramps, headaches . . . a good withdrawal for about a week," the girl's mother said.
After turning Havens in to police, the girl entered therapy and now criticizes middle-school-age peers she sees using marijuana, her mother said.
"Counseling really did help," the mother said. "She talks to me about everything now."
Her mother said she asked her why she even decided to try heroin.
"I saw everyone else and just wanted to try it," she told her mother.
The mother said you can't always believe kids' denials.
"If it's there and they want to do it, they're going to do it," she said.
posted on July 28, 2002 01:52:08 PM new
sideslam - Great list of suggestions.
I'm not sure how old your children are but I'd like to share with you some advice my father-in-law gave me when I was pregnant with our first son.
He said, if at all possible do without some of life's finer things in order to stay home and raise your own children. He said if you give them to someone else to raise, you won't have as much time to guide them down the paths you hope they'll go. He also suggested to keep them as busy as you can. Involve them in sports, activities, etc. that will wear them out physically. He felt children that had too much time on their hands, were the one's who usually found trouble. It was good advice and we found his wisdom did help us guide our sons to make positive, rather than self destructive choices.
I wish you continued success with your efforts, sincerely.
That is not necessarily true. Today, many parents both have to work and you should not lead these parents to believe that their children will become drug addicts if they are not at home twenty four hours a day.
Of course, everyone knows that it's good to stay healthy and engage in activities such as sports and music and extra-curricular activities at school.
That's not wisdom. It's just common sense.
posted on July 28, 2002 02:58:04 PM new
Well Gravid, You want to hear the war story. I'm afraid it's not much because so many were arrested and convicted besides my husband's part. My part was very minor. He caught some people stealing ammonia from his tank confronted them, called the police and me and told me to load his gun. Well, I tried but I couldn't get rid of the big thing sticking out of the bullet places and kind of had them jammed he fixed it but they were gone by the time he got back over there thank goodness but he had their license plate numbers and gave them to the police who shared them with state DEA and the rest is history. We have several meth makers in jail and someday I need to learn how to load a gun!
I have never been around a meth lab so I don't know what one smells like but if they use Anhydrous Ammonia I don't see how they can stand the smell because one whiff of the stuff takes my breath away which is why the thieves were wearing masks and heavy gloves because it will freeze skin fast. Bye the way, our largest local grocery store has taken Sudafed off the shelves and you have to get it at the office if you want it. Someday gravid, I will relate the story of the assumed meth lab house which blew up and burned down.
Sideslam, I'm with you 100%. The DARE programs have been very commendable in our schools. They do need to be kept alive and yes, we do have bigger stuff coming in to the rural areas than meth. or so I hear from the kids who have no reason to lie or exaggerate with me. I'm sorry for the man who lost his son. Everything is not black and white, there are many gray areas and I think he got caught in one of them.
posted on July 28, 2002 09:43:15 PM new
I would like to say just one more thing. You know who the worst drug dealers are? The ones that know that what they are selling is addicting. They themselves are not addiacted to them. I mean god forbid, they know better than that. They don't use them, just sell them. Besides if they start using them, than there is none for them to sell. They can't do that. And selling them to kids the whole time. With a smile on their face.
The other worst one is someone that is a close member or extended family. The ones that should be looking out for the kids. Doing the same. Not addiacted, doesn't even use them. Knows better than to. Only caring about the dollar. Not, this is my nephew, my niece, my daughter, my son, etc.
I don't know which one is worse. There both pathetic. That is what gets me so mad on these type of drug dealers. They are not even addiacts themselves. They know not to take them. And god forbid if they had to get jobs. They can't do that. They don't want to.There job is selling drugs.
[ edited by sideslam on Jul 28, 2002 10:01 PM ]
posted on July 29, 2002 12:10:12 PM new
Funny thing about the human brain there is a small part of the population somewhere in the 2 to 5% range that really don't suffer from physical addiction like the rest of us. I was reading a Scientific American article quite a while back about it - and the scientists started with the idea that everyone gets addicted. However drug dealers told them that they have customers who come and buy herion and party with it then disappear and don't buy anymore for 6 or 8 weeks until they have some money again and want to buy. They may have a habit but no physical dependancy and withdrawl. The scientists actually did no believe them until they saw the same thing in some of their test subjects. So addiction is not a universal physical quality. It is an unfortunate fact that some things like that are lied about by agencies and people can become very skeptical of the truthful warnings if they catch someone being less than 100% truthful.
