posted on September 8, 2002 02:34:01 PM new
The war on terrorism is not about Islam, and Saudi Arabia is our ally, yeah right. I hope someone (CIA,MI5 ?? IRA, Firefighters Unions ?? )notices that they'll all be together in one place.
posted on September 9, 2002 05:40:47 AM newExtremist muslim clerics will meet in London on September 11 to celebrate the anniversary of al-Qaeda's attacks on America and to launch an organisation for Islamic militants. Celebrating huh? How wonderful [NOT!!] We'll be remembering/greaving for those innocent men, women and children who were killed NY and they'll be celebrating the occasion.
The conference, which will be attended by the most radical mullahs in Britain, will argue that the atrocities were justified because Muslims must defend themselves against armed aggression. There is no justification for their actions on 9-11. Period.
It will launch the Islamic Council of Britain (ICB), which will aim to implement sharia law in Britain and will welcome al-Qa'eda sympathisers as members. Well...the Brit's better start studying sharia law to see if they want to live under this set of laws. What a crock.
I can only hope that if anything positive comes out of this 'celebration and meeting' it's that it helps those sitting on the fence decide who's side they're on. Or we'll all need to be studying sharia law.
As far as the religion of Islam goes....protests from some that it is a peaceful religion, I think actions speak louder than words. And I do agree that Saudi Arabia is not acting like an ally.
Hopefully we won't see any 'celebrating' of the 9-11 attacks in America.
posted on September 9, 2002 10:59:12 AM new
>As far as the religion of Islam goes....protests from some that it is a peaceful religion, I think actions speak louder than words.
I agree with you there. Just look at Christianity and Christains. So what if Jesus preached peace? Looky at all of those Christians killing in His name! Serbia, Afghanistan, the Crusades! Just because a Holy Book teaches universal peace and brotherhood does not make it a religion. That makes Christianity a religion of War, Hatred for your fellow Man, and Death to All who need conquering! Right?
posted on September 9, 2002 11:31:40 AM new
I don't know Bor. I am not worried about Christians flying a plane into buildings. I do not hear christian preachers calling on the flock to do that either.
But I will agree that religious fundementalism is dangerous no matter which religion it springs from.
posted on September 9, 2002 05:15:53 PM new
My point was simply to take Linda's rationelle and apply it ourselves. The rationelle is that those who are of a faith define that faith by their actions, not by the writings and teachings from their Holy Book. If we examine the ugly side of Chrisitan behaviors, can we not come to the same conclusion about Christianity as Linda has with Islam, or for that matter, any religion? If a religion is not measured by the teachings of its Holy Writings, then are we not incorectly judging that religion?
posted on September 9, 2002 05:29:52 PM new
I don't know of any Christian church that encouraged McVeigh, nor any Christian church that celebrated what he did.
I have yet to hear of any Christian church leadership meeting to celebrate what McVeigh did.
I admit that fundementalism in any religion is a problem, but it is quite an impossible laim that modern christianity has declared war on western civilization.
posted on September 10, 2002 06:08:36 AM new
We need to celebrate 9/11...
An appropriate celebration would be to fly Arab Airline planes into Mecca, Taj Mahal, The Mosque in Jerusalem. What would the Islam world think if all the Michigan Militia started taking flight training and skipping the class on landing?
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posted on September 10, 2002 06:37:48 AM new
Borillar - ....come to the same conclusion about Christianity as Linda has with Islam, or for that matter, any religion?
I said actions [to me] speak louder than words. Nothing more. I've always been a firm believer that everyone is entitled to believe in any God, Mullah, etc...or not to believe in one.
I've shared before that I don't believe just because you have a different 'higher power' than someone else, you are right, and they are wrong. The way I see it is we really don't know who's right and who may be wrong in their beliefs. That's what they are beliefs/faith.
Trying to be more clear....if any religion were calling for the death of all infidels, jews, etc. I would feel the same way. If any religion were calling for a 'one world religion' [theirs] I would feel the same way. I like the American concept that we all have a right to choose our religion or to not choose one.
So...while I admit to knowing very little about the Islam religion, I personally am making a decision about the actions [or lack thereof] by their religious leaders, and those others we see calling for our deaths. Their hatred and lack of tolerance for the beliefs of others, comes through loud and clear to me. Now...am I speaking about all
those who practice the Islamic religion? No. But I'm not seeing/hearing/reading about those good people. I'm reading about their religious leaders and forming my opinion.
posted on September 10, 2002 07:40:37 AM new
"And for the record, Timothy McVeigh is not the founder of Christianity. He wasn't even a Christian. He was an atheist who happened to be a gentile. - Ann Coulter
posted on September 10, 2002 08:36:06 AM new
>I admit that fundementalism in any religion is a problem, but it is quite an impossible laim that modern christianity has declared war on western civilization.
You can claim that because you never listen to their leadership, some of whom continue to call for a holy war on Islam and all muslims. Other Chrisitan leaders on radio and TV shovel hatred and anger at the muslims, calling for millitary action to overthrow islamic theocratic governments around the world.
posted on September 10, 2002 02:02:50 PM new
I hate to semm picky Bor, but the muslim entities that some christian leaders called for the destruction of are not Western civilization, in fact quite the opposite. Even so, If they're calling for the destruction of the radical muslim theocracies, then this atheist is with them.
posted on September 10, 2002 05:08:23 PM new
I, like most of us here, am having a hard time making up my list of Christian leaders calling for the destruction of muslims. Maybe Borillar can make up a list.
posted on September 11, 2002 07:36:55 AM new
And of course that's not an answer to Reamond's question either. Try and keep to the last few hundred years.
