posted on October 9, 2002 12:14:41 PM new
The father of a young Palestinian who carried out a suicide bombing in Israel has written a letter to the editor of the London Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat, blasting the practice of suicide bombing and urging the terror-group leaders and sheikhs to send their own sons to their deaths.
The letter by Abu Saber M.G. was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI, an independent, nonprofit organization that translates and analyzes the media of the Middle East.
"I can find no better words with which to begin my letter than the words of Allah, in his precious book (the Quran): 'Act for the sake of Allah, and do not throw yourselves to destruction with your own hands,'" wrote Saber. "I write this letter with a languishing heart and with eyes that have not ceased weeping. We must, today more than at any other time, obey this Quranic verse, act for the sake of Allah, and refrain from carrying out acts that will throw us to destruction."
Saber mentions that his son's friends persuaded him to carry out the bombing and that they now were after the bomber's brother for the same purpose.
Wrote Saber: "Four months ago, I lost my eldest son when his friends tempted him, praising the path of death. They persuaded him to blow himself up in one of Israel's cities. When the pure body of my son was scattered all over, my last signs of life also dispersed, along with hope and my will to exist. Since that day, I am like [an] apparition walking the earth, not to mention that I, my wife, and my other sons and daughters have become displaced since the razing of the home in which we lived.
"But the last straw was when I was informed that the friends of my eldest son the martyr were starting to wrap themselves like snakes around my other son, not yet 17, to direct him to the same path toward which they had guided his brother, so that he would blow himself up too to avenge his brother, claiming 'he had nothing to lose.'"
The bomber's father sees no benefit to suicide bombing, saying such action "deters no enemy and liberates no land. On the contrary, [it] intensifies the aggression, and after every such operation, civilians are killed, homes are razed, and Palestinian cities and villages are reoccupied."
Saber then questions the legitimacy of the leadership of Hamas and Islamic Jihad:
"I ask, on my behalf and on behalf of every father and mother informed that their son has blown himself up: 'By what right do these leaders send the young people, even young boys in the flower of their youth, to their deaths?' Who gave them religious or any other legitimacy to tempt our children and urge them to their deaths?"
Next, Saber decries the policy of paying the families of suicide bombers and challenges those who praise the "martyrs" to send their own sons to die.
"Paying a few thousand dollars to the family of the young man who has gone and will never return does not ease the shock or alter the irrevocable end," wrote Saber. "The sums of money [paid] to the martyrs' families cause pain more than they heal; they make the families feel that they are being rewarded for the lives of their children.
"Do the children's lives have a price? Has death become the only way to restore the rights and liberate the land? And if this be the case, why doesn't a single one of all the sheikhs who compete amongst themselves in issuing fiery religious rulings send his son? Why doesn't a single one of the leaders who cannot restrain himself in expressing his joy and ecstasy on the satellite channels every time a young Palestinian man or woman sets out to blow himself or herself up send his son?
"Why, until this very moment, haven't we seen one of the sons, or daughters, of any of these people don an explosive belt and go out to carry out in deed, not in words, what their fathers preach day and night?
"Are Jihad, martyrdom and pointless death restricted to a single sector [of the people], without concerning another sector? Doesn't what applies to the sons and daughters of the general public apply [also] to the [leaders'] own sons and daughters? How long will this steadfast people continue to pay the price for the idiotic policy that has proved a colossal failure at obtaining even a tiny part of the usurped Palestinian rights?"
Further expanding his argument by naming names, Saber points out that the offspring of Palestinian leadership have been intentionally protected.
"But what tears at the soul, pains the heart and brings tears to the eyes more than anything else is the sight of these sheikhs and leaders evading sending their sons into the fray – such as Mahmoud Al-Zahar, Isma'il Abu Shanab, and Abd Al-'Aziz Al-Rantisi. The moment the intifada broke out, Al-Zahar sent his son Khaled to America; Abu Shanab sent his son Hassan to Britain; and [as she stated to the press], Rantisi's wife has refrained from sending her son Muhammad to blow himself up. Instead, she sent him to Iraq, to complete his studies there."
posted on October 9, 2002 12:32:55 PM new
Oh Reamond - What a heart breaking letter that was. I could feel Abu Saber's deep pain and suffering and can understand his questioning the pointlessness of it all. I hope in his pain his words can bring reason to some of his people. IMO, he sounds like he'd make a great leader of the Palestinian people.
posted on October 9, 2002 02:54:23 PM new
I agree, Linda. And it will be equally heartbreaking for U.S. parents to receive their children back from Iraq in a box. After all, many of them are only two or three years older than the Palestinian suicide bombers.
posted on October 9, 2002 11:36:52 PM new
That letter is sad and he was very brave to write it. What he said about the leaders children is so true. They're all tucked safely away, including our fearless leaders twin girls. We know they won't be sent to fight their fathers dirty war to keep their oil riches.
posted on October 10, 2002 07:57:47 AM new
There is a difference between the actions of the U.S., and suicide bombers. U.S. military action will succeed. Suicide bombing will not bring Palestinians closer to achieving peace or a homeland.
The higher price we pay now in Iraq is a direct result of our failure to act preemptively ten years ago. We stopped Saddam's war machine but we did not stop Saddam. That was a mistake. Those who support a do-nothing policy would do well to consider what Saddam will be like ten years down the road, if we do not put an end to him now.
When suicide bombers struck the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, I predicted a change in Israeli policy. Since then, there have been two attacks on Hamas in civilian areas, with a great deal of collateral damage. Israel is losing patience, and will not allow terrorists to continue hiding in civilian areas.
I am saddened by Mr. Saber's letter. But it seems Israel's retailliatory policy is the only way to make Palestinians stand up to their corrupt political leadership.
posted on October 10, 2002 08:03:39 AM new
Young people's lives are exploited in both cases. The end, which in the U.S. case is power and money for a select few, does not justify the means.
posted on October 10, 2002 11:38:42 AM newBut it seems Israel's retailliatory policy is the only way to make Palestinians stand up to their corrupt political leadership.
In the bloody violence of the Israeli-Palestinian war, the most tragic victims are the very young, now considered 'fair game'
By Robert Fisk Middle East Corresppondent
EXCERPT...
In one of its most shocking reports on the Israeli-Palestinian war, Amnesty International today condemns both sides in the conflict for their "utter disregard" for the lives of children – 250 of them Palestinian and 72 Israeli – who have been killed over the past year.
In a 29-page report containing some of the most painful evidence amassed on child-killing in the occupied territories and Israel, the organisation blames Israel for "excessive and disproportionate use of lethal force" and "reckless shooting" in residential areas, and Palestinians for "direct and indiscriminate attacks", including suicide bombings.
The solemn list of dead children that Amnesty has collected shows just how ingrained child-killing has become. There is Sami Jazzar, shot in the head by an Israeli soldier on the eve of his 12th birthday in Gaza, 11-year-old Khalil Mughrabi, killed by an Israeli sniper in Gaza – one of his friends survived after being shot in the testicles by a high-velocity round – and 10-year-old Riham al-Ward, killed in her Jenin schoolyard by an Israeli tank shell.
Then there are Raaya and Hemda, aged 14 and two, killed with their parents by a Palestinian suicide bomber in a Jerusalem pizzeria, Shalhevet Pass – just 10 months old – shot by a Palestinian sniper in Hebron, and Avia Malka, killed by Palestinians who fired on and threw grenades at cars in Netanya. She was nine months old.
posted on October 10, 2002 04:00:19 PM new
I see symmetry between this letter writer's note that the leaders do not send their own sons and daughters to war. Neither is Bush sending his drunken daughters to Iraq to fight in combat, or Trent Lott his sons or grandsons, or any one else making policy in Washington. It's always easier to send someone else's sons to die bloody screaming deaths than your own son. I say: put Bush's alcoholic daughters on the Front Lines in the infantry caring a rifle before I support other people's sons and daughters being sent to die for barrels of oil in Iraq!
posted on October 10, 2002 05:23:20 PM new
gawd, Borillar. You are full of so much hate. Leave his daughters out of it. You have no factual information that they are "alcoholics" and if they were, it's none of your damn business. But you lead such a perfect life..and your family/kids are so perfect aren't they? Bet you never did anything "dumb" when you were a kid. You are just so damn perfect and have all the answers.
That comment of yours has to be one of the most meanspirited ones I've ever seen you post. And there have been too many to count!
posted on October 10, 2002 06:53:59 PM new
posted on October 10, 2002 05:23:20 PM
gawd, Borillar. You are full of so much hate. Leave his daughters out of it. You have no factual information that they are "alcoholics" and if they were, it's none of your damn business. But you lead such a perfect life..and your family/kids are so perfect aren't they? Bet you never did anything "dumb" when you were a kid. You are just so damn perfect and have all the answers.
That comment of yours has to be one of the most meanspirited ones I've ever seen you post. And there have been too many to count! KatyD
How childish of you, Katy.
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posted on October 10, 2002 07:45:48 PM new
If you want to check out how your represenative to congress voted on the bill to authorize Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against Iraq you can check the roll call here.
posted on October 10, 2002 07:49:26 PM new
KatyD, he just said the same thing I did, just stronger words. I to would like to see the children of the administration go first and to the front lines with the children of us common folk. Don't see anything wrong with that. If that were to happen we wouldn't even be talking about having a war.
posted on October 10, 2002 07:51:30 PM new
LOL! Borillar, you have the nerve to lecture me on disruptive and harassing posts. You silly thing. Go whine to someone who cares.
Thanks for that link, Helen! I was wondering where to find that information.
posted on October 10, 2002 07:56:18 PM new
Choco, I was referring to the nasty comment about the Bush twins. Nothing in his comment about those girls was relevant to the issue discussed. In addition, he feels the need to hold them up for contempt and ridicule while labeling them as \"alcoholics\", supposedly I suppose because of their past incidents of underage drinking. Big F deal. I did the same thing when I was there age, and I was caught too. It just wasn\'t plastered all over the national news. Which was a good thing, cause my dad never found out about it.
posted on October 10, 2002 08:19:41 PM new
133 voted nay. That's more than I expected. It *is* good to see that that many members of Congress have some guts and haven't become completely corrupt. Something of what made us great remains even if it isn't enough to slow the intellectual and moral deterioration of the nation.
posted on October 10, 2002 08:59:02 PM new
Helen sad indeed! I had tears in my eyes as I listened to Sen. Byrd talk about the Constitution. My thoughts were about the Supreme Court that got us in this mess, and how much the world has changed since the election. It's so very hard to have faith, and keep up the fight.
My DIL said she feels like she's back in Indonesia. That's really hard to take from a person who was reared in a country that has had one of the most corrupt governments in the world.
posted on October 10, 2002 09:04:41 PM new
>Nothing in his comment about those girls was relevant to the issue discussed.
Nor was it inaccurate or unfair. They are public figures - I am not. According to Daddy Bush, he asked them if they could handle it if he went for the Presidency and the media scrutiny that follows family members since the Republicans started that with Carter. According to Daddy Bush, they said "yes". They keep getting busted for underage drinking and rumors in the media have suggested that at least one is full-blown alcoholic. Therefore, my opinions were entirely valid. In your case, your comments were entirely inappropriate. If you can't contribute to the discussion at hand, then don't post.
posted on October 10, 2002 09:12:45 PM new
I had tears too Choco. Sen. Byrd reminded me of Jimmy Stewart in Mr.Smith goes to Washington. I hate to see the constitution s dissolved bit by bit.
They had a poll on CNN [I think..I never pay attention to the station I'm on ] and only about 32% of the people were happy that the resoloution passed. 64% were not. Where are those that still do the peoples bidding?
posted on October 10, 2002 10:22:41 PM new
I don't know what poll your referring to, but the only poll I could find on CNN says 57% approve of the resolution, which has just now passed the Senate. Polls of this type are useless, but in this case just happen to agree with Gallup.
posted on October 10, 2002 11:14:23 PM new
I've pretty much given-up on quoting polls from the TV. More than once I'll hear them tell the figures with a poll on TV, only to have it change by the time that they post it on their web site. More than once.
But I've found that a lot of Americans are all fired up to go after War. Even Viet-nam vets are all ready to watch the game. With our remote cotrol weapons and the government's refusal to allow reporters show the gruesom horrors of that War, everyone is stocking up on their peanuts, beer, and othr munchies to watch the play-by-play from their easy chairs. Only thing that seems to shake them up is when someone actually fights back and plows a couple of airplanes into buildings.
The pity is that Saddam is holding on tightly to all of his chemical and biological weapons right now. When he's gone and there is chaos everywhere in Iraq, terrorists will just walk over and take what they want. THEN we'll start getting attacked! THEN we'll hear everyone cry "FOUL!" Like as if War knows any morals!
posted on October 11, 2002 03:43:13 AM newBus Driver's Frantic Struggle AvertsBloodbath in Tel Aviv
By JAMES BENNET
TEL AVIV, Oct. 10 — The man slipped as he leaped at rush hour this morning for the bus's closing rear door, falling backward and striking his head on the pavement. So Baruch Neuman, the driver, set his handbrake and ran to help, with a medic who happened to be nearby.
The medic started unbuttoning the man's shirt to help him breathe. "The first button, the second button, the third button — and then we saw the belt," Mr. Neuman said, recalling the moment when he realized he was facing not an innocent victim or a fare evader but a suicide bomber.
Screaming to the passengers to run, Mr. Neuman and the medic each grabbed one of the bomber's hands and pinned him to the pavement, clinging to the living bomb to give the soldiers, university students and others who were packed aboard the bus, and the people at the crowded bus stop, time to escape.
"I just was thinking at any moment it was going to blow," Mr. Neuman said. "And I looked at him, and I wondered, `Why are you doing this?' "
In the end, not everyone escaped. A 71-year-old woman was killed and at least 12 people were wounded in the first suicide bombing in Israel since Sept. 19 — when another bus was struck, here in Tel Aviv.
Mr. Neuman, whose first name means blessed, said he pleaded with the bomber, telling him that his potential victims had escaped and that he did not have to die. "I said to him, `Save yourself,' " he said. "But he didn't react."
Dazed and bleeding from his head, the bomber began moving his legs, and Mr. Neuman, noticing wires leading down from the explosive belt, feared he might be able to detonate his weapon that way.
Mr. Neuman said the medic, whose name he did not know, turned to him and suggested they make their own escape before their captive could blow himself up. They counted to three, he said, then let go. As they ran one way, the bomber climbed to his feet, walked unsteadily a few steps in the opposite direction, and exploded.
Lt. Gil De Louya had also gone to help the wounded man, and then, watching over the medic's shoulder, he had glimpsed the bomb, with a white wire leading down the man's body.
Lieutenant De Louya could have sprinted off, but, recruited by circumstances to a different duty than Mr. Neuman's, he chose instead to walk beside an elderly woman who was moving slowly away from the bus. She seemed very emotional, he recalled.
The nails packed into the bomb ripped into them both as the blast threw them to ground.
"The woman next to me was covered in blood," Lieutenant De Louya said quietly, as he lay in Tel Hashomer Hospital with wounds to his leg, arm and shoulder. "I tried talking to her, but she didn't react. Her eyes were open, and she was looking, but she didn't react."
Lieutenant De Louya had not been told what became of the woman, but army officials visiting him at the hospital said that they believed she was the victim who was killed. The woman who died was identified as Sa'ada Aharon, of Ramat Gan. She was married, with three children and 15 grandchildren.
As Mr. Neuman spoke, at the Reading bus terminal here, some buses pulling out of the lot dangled black ribbons from their curb-side rearview mirrors, in memory of the driver who died on Sept. 19, along with five of his passengers. Together with bus schedules, black-and-white death notices were tacked to the bulletin board inside the drivers' lounge.
There was no immediate claim of responsibility for today's attack, but the militant group Hamas had promised to retaliate for Israeli incursions this week in the Gaza Strip that left 18 Palestinians dead. Two more Palestinian youths, aged 12 and 18, died this morning, Palestinian hospital officials said, shot by Israeli forces during a raid into the Rafah refugee camp, on the border with Egypt.
The Israeli Army said that it could not confirm the deaths but that its forces had returned fire while being attacked during the incursion. The army said that during the raid the soldiers discovered two tunnels used to smuggle weapons from Egypt.
Security experts call Israel a "recruited society," a nation mobilized by harsh experience to guard against possible attack at any time, even from unlikely suspects. People have learned to size each other up on sidewalks, to report innocuous-seeming bags of trash left on city streets or cars that seem parked out of place.
Mr. Neuman, a 50-year-old father of three and grandfather of one, did not describe himself as an eager recruit. "I'm a coward," he insisted. "But at that moment, I wasn't afraid. I wasn't even sweating. I don't understand it."
He said that while he always screened his passengers, it was only luck that stopped the bomber from entering the back door of the No. 87 bus, which was making its way along a major highway just east of here, near Bar Ilan University.
The Israeli government did not announce any immediate action in response to today's bombing. But David Baker, an official in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said the Palestinian Authority, led by Yasir Arafat, was doing nothing to stop the attacks. "Israel has become a democracy under the gun," he said. "These attacks have not ceased."
Palestinian officials accused Mr. Sharon of provoking the violence.
Enclosed, and crowded with a random assortment of the innocent, buses have become prime terrorist targets, dragging drivers, like Mr. Neuman, to a front line of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Although the Israeli security services put undercover agents aboard some buses, drivers have been largely left alone to defend them. In the two-year conflict, some have shoved bombers back out the door, deliberately driven past them or summoned the police — sometimes, in their vigilance, mistaking the innocent for the guilty.
Itzhak Kagan, a spokesman for Mr. Neuman's bus company, Dan, argued that the government should do more to protect buses, noting that pilots for the Israeli airline El Al were not expected to screen the passengers. "This is not his job," he said with admiration for Mr. Neuman. "His job is to drive."
By this evening, radio talks shows in Israel were debating the incident, with some callers praising Mr. Neuman and others wondering why he did not hold on longer.
Yossi Sedbon, the Tel Aviv police chief, said the "quick decision" to pin the bomber had saved many lives.
"It must be remembered that an explosive belt might go off from a blow or a certain movement made by the bomber," he said. "This was a very complicated situation, and their actions were extremely brave, appropriate and prevented a very big disaster."
For his part, Mr. Neuman called himself an "antihero."
"They are all heroes here, because they are getting on buses," he said, nodding at his fellow drivers. "I did my job."
- The New York Times, Oct. 11, 2002
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posted on October 11, 2002 08:50:29 AM newIf you can't contribute to the discussion at hand, then don't post.
Not every thread is about the sins of the Bush administration. This one, for example, has nothing to do with the drinking habits of the Bush kids.
Helen, it's sad that you have such a jaded and cynical view of life. For all your research, apparently you've never found a link to honor or nobility.
You folks who were kids during the Vietnam war can't comprehend that a war can be just. You don't get it. Hussein can't be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. End of story.
I am personally disappointed at how cowardly Americans have become, and how our Democratic representatives are trying to turn this into an election issue.
posted on October 11, 2002 11:21:11 AM new
Twinsoft, I was married to a Vietnam vet during the war years. Married to another one now. My father served in WW2 and also Korea. I studied history and did pretty well . So please don't tell me I don't understand.
I know we are going to war, I know Saddam has to go. I don't mind going if we do it with other countries and if it really is the final recourse. It's WAR and once started you can't just decide to stop. Who knows where it will lead ~ especially if we go it alone?
It isn't the specter of War that upsets me nearly as much at this moment as the selling out of our constitution. This is another nail in its coffin and I am very unhappy about that.There was no need to give Bush this much power to go after Saddam.No president should have it and I would feel the same way no matter who is president.
Desquirrel, I'm sure it was a poll in progress and that was likely an early report. What difference does it make? Any way you look at it the entire country is not behind this whether it is 30% or 60% no difference.
But today the stockmarket is heading up and the money grubbers are happy again...war is big business.
I see this country going backwards.Women are going to be taken back fifty years with all the new RR in positions of power. It isn't right.There is no middle anymore..only left or right. Those of us that are the middle have no one to represent us. That is a huge chunk of the US.
I'm sickened enough that I am considering if it is worth it to even vote in November. I will,I'm sure, I always have, but there is not one person on the ballot that represents me.
posted on October 11, 2002 11:48:33 AM new
Robin, how has our constitution been "sold out"? It seems to me that it IS working. Bush presented the Iraq resolution to Congress, and they approved it. That's the way it is supposed to work. Our elected representatives are our "voices" and hopefully, they voted according to the "voices" of their constituency. Granted, your elected representative may not have voted the way you wanted him/her to vote (mine didn't) but this is the way our government is supposed to work, and it does. If you are unhappy, staying home from the polls in November isn't the answer...it won't help your "voice" to be heard.
For what it's worth, I'm not thrilled with my ballot choices this November either. Particulary the governor's race. I might just have to leave that one blank.
posted on October 11, 2002 11:50:47 AM new
I, too, take offence at your suggestions, twinsoft. As an American kid growing up in Laos during the 1960's, War came right to our doorstep on a number of occasions. Being a kid and hearing the blasts, shots, and the screaming - seeing the blood from the wounded everywhere, and knowing that a large military force was out there trying to come kill you while you were unarmed has left a definite impression of War that you'll never have. Were you ever that close?
My father fought in WWII in the Pacific, landing on beaches. He still denies that he suffers PST and other psychological problems from it - it wasn't "manly" to have War affect you back then.
And if one thing that my being an ardent student of history has done well, it has shown me when the use of military force is a good thing and when it isn't. Saddam isn't one of the good things to do.
The problem - NO! The LESSON that America is going to have to learn is that we are not fighting governments and terrorist soldiers. We are fighting an IDEA. You can't win fighting an IDEA with millitary force. Each time that you use millitary force against an IDEA, it comes back at you stronger than before.
Yes, the IDEA is being used as a millitary ploy against Isreal, and consequently, the West. But until you discredit the IDEA in the eyes of its followers, they will only gain momentum and strength when we go to blast Saddam from his High Horse.
Within two years, Iraq will become a Fundamentalist Islamic state bent on providing biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons to terrorists against Isreal and the West. In the meantime, terrorist acts will become much more common. The USA will continue to become an armed camp, with millitary law eventually being issued. Two oceans do not an adequate defence make!
posted on October 11, 2002 12:15:58 PM new
You can fight and win against "ideas". It has been done many times, but it requires total war, total victory, and a total re-building of the vanquished. It was done in the American Civil war, and WWII to name two instances of "ideas" being buried, and minds being changed.
There is also a faction in the US and the world that do not and will not for any reason support military action against any entity no matter how dangerous or murderous that entity is. These factions were heard from and were a majority in the 1930s when there was a call to stop Hitler and Germany.
It is just as irrational to think that war is the answer to every situation as it is to forward that war can not be the solution to any situation.
There is no peaceful solution to the issues with Iraq - we have tried the peaceful path for 11 years. These issues are deadly serious to the Kurds in the North and the religious minorities in the South of Iraq, as well as Iran, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia.
The whole Persian Gulf region will have to be changed or the future is not too bright for the US. Even if we did not need one more drop of oil from the region and Israel ceased to exist, these populations are bent on the destruction of the West and death to all non-muslims. The longer we wait to pacify and disarm the region, the more dangerous it becomes.
Would you rather go in now with tanks and rifles or wait 5 or 10 years and have a nuclear exchange ?
posted on October 11, 2002 05:17:28 PM new
I think a few of you are perhaps missing a few points.
The easy solution is to simply take out Saddam.
Any military action is going to cost Billions and Billions.
The Iraq and middle east issues are about Oil or money.
It is not about Jews and Arabs.
Also, you cannot compare any Arab State to Germany or Japan. Different cultures and different times. I also think that if you had an honest election in any of the Arab states things would not change too much. You don't see coups in any of them. The public is not clamoring for change and I can't remember any big protest movements either. This is not Tibet. This is not East Timor. It is simply about money.
This is one of the key problems.
Sure you can erase Saddam. It will buy some time but weapons of mass destruction are changing.
You don't need a missle if you want to wipe out large populations.
Aids is most likely a man-made virus used to eradicate much of Black Africa.
West Nile may be a Biological attack. And there are probably a few more that we don't know about yet. Each flu season is like playing Russian roulette!
All any country has to do is fill up a few agents with contagions (which I will not mention in public) and send them into population centers and before you can say "George W. Bush and his friends are War Mongers" millions will be infected.
You have to face the real issues instead of the symptoms.
The world is now a much smaller place. There is no safe spot. If we don't vote for people that want a safe place and treat others in ways that truly address grievances (right or wrong grievences) then we are truly doomed.
It's that simple. It doesn't mean that we won't fight or take down evil people. It just means that we have to stop all this rhetoric.
