posted on January 31, 2003 04:06:30 PM new
Right now with all the scarem stuff about the about to happen war I've been thinking about attacks that may have already happened?
Do you think that they gov't's will release this info?
For instance those cruise ships that had all of those problems a few months back and that base in San Diego?
Do you think those were attacks and simply not discussed or released for public info?
Have there been little attacks that simply are not in the news?
posted on January 31, 2003 05:21:15 PM new
According to William Blum, an investigative journalist - "The Army has acknowledged that between 1949 and 1969, 239 populated areas from coast to coast were blanketed with various organisms during tests designed to measure patterns of dissemination in the air, weather effects, dosages, optimum placement of the source and other factors. Testing over such areas was supposedly suspended after 1969, but there is no way to be certain of this. In any event, open air spraying continued at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah."
After reading about these tests, I am very suspicious about the real cause of the cruise ship problem. The virus that caused the problems on the cruise ships traveled from the ships - inland. Health officials in Massachusetts reported that 700 people were ill with the Norwalk virus and it was almost of epidemic proportion. The virus could either be an attack, a test or just a very strange natural phenomenon.
In answer to your question, Do you trust your government to tell you the truth, I would have to say no.
posted on January 31, 2003 06:28:30 PM new
Overt attacks are usually identified immediately. But covert attacks may go unnoticed, depending on the incubation period...the delay between exposure and onset of illness. Certain covert chemical attacks can be spread through food and water and contamination is sometimes not detected for months. For example, dioxin - a cancer-causing chemical was accidentally fed to chickens in Belgium and it wasn't discovered for months.
"Have we already been attacked by Bio or chem weapons" is a good question. Some people were suspicious of the recent West Nile Virus. Who knows? I think that an attack would more likely involve a lethal virus or chemical and something with a short delay between exposure and illness.
Helen
ed. to remove typo.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jan 31, 2003 06:36 PM ]
posted on January 31, 2003 08:33:38 PM new
I have a radiation detector not for terrorists but because for years I knew that standard operating procedure for the government when there is a radiation leak at a power plant or anywhere is to wait until it is all dispersed and then announce it happened but it was small and none of you were in any danger.
Once we were driving to Toledo with another couple and I had the detector laying on the dash in silent mode. When we got near the Fermi II plant I turned it on the speaker and told them we would be driving through the exhaust plume of the plant so I wanted to see if it was hot. They thought that was so stupid they were laughing like crazy. But when we got down wind the counter got very active and the laughter stopped. The woman asked very concerned if it was enough to be a danger.
I told her no - but how would you like to live in a house here that may sit downwind of the plant for days at a time?
I said do you know why it is called Fermi II?
She said no - I hear that all the time but never thought about the name.
Well Fermi was a very bright fellow, a scientist, but what I'd like to point out is the II - you need to research and find out what happened to Fermi I. She was horrified when she did.
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posted on January 31, 2003 08:44:34 PM new
Im still waiting for a plausable answer to why those WTC buildings imploded from the ground up.I know what I saw,It does not jell with the reasons givin by the media.
posted on January 31, 2003 08:58:04 PM new
Junquemama, there was an informative and fascinating series on Discovery Channel (I'm pretty sure it was Discovery) a while back that completely explained the hows and whys of the towers collapse. The architects who built the towers along with other structural engineers were interviewed. The towers didn't "implode" although on television it might have looked that way. The floors collapsed on the insided due to the melting of the steel structural frames from the high temperatures of the fire. It had to do with the open floor design and construction of the towers. Once the structural members of one floor melted and gave way, that floor collapsed on the one beneath it, causing the one beneath it to collapse, and so on and so forth. The structural columns for the towers were on the OUTSIDE of the building, and these columns were also the escape route, which we know were all destroyed from the jet crashes (except one which was passable, and some survivors made it down that one). These outside support columns were designed to provide the famous open space design of the Towers. Each floor of the Towers were preassembled and then lifted into place at the time of construction. The design was considered quite innovative at the time, but of course no one could imagine them having to withstand two fully fueled jetliners crashing into them.
The chief architect of the Towers was haunted in the interviews. I really felt sorry for him, even though he acknowledged that he nor anyone else ever envisioned or imagined the catastrophe wrought and made all the worse by his design.
posted on January 31, 2003 09:29:25 PM new
KatyD,That makes sense.The problem I have is heat rises,The top of the impact areas should have collapsed 1st.And one building,The fire was out,but still smoking(fuel oil)..One building caused a huge crater,because of a fuel oil storage tank,beneath it.
A third building went down to dust as well,It was a couple of blocks away.No cause of damage.
And one of the buildings had been bombed in the early 90s,(garage parking lot) but did not go down.
That building was re-enforced and stronger.
Nothing was solid from the buildings collapse except for the top areas of the impact.Thats the part that I am having problems with.
posted on January 31, 2003 09:41:11 PM new
The Pentagon Papers, The Warren Report, I am not a crook, Read My Lips...no new taxes, I did not have sex with that woman
The question should be does anyone in government ever tell you the truth.
posted on January 31, 2003 09:52:48 PM new
Well, I'm not quite understanding your question, junque. But I think it was a Nova program on PBS, not Discovery. Here is the info I found on it. I'm pretty sure this was the program we saw.
http://www.urlwire.com/news/040302a.html
and
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
Interesting reading, and will provide the answers for you.
The 3rd building you refer to was I believe was the Marriott Hotel at 7 World Trade Center Place??? It was connected somehow structurally to the Towers building even though a relative distance away. One person (a manager) possibly two Marriott employees I know of that died in that one. They got everybody else out.
KatyD
[ edited by KatyD on Jan 31, 2003 09:53 PM ]
posted on January 31, 2003 11:29:02 PM new
I'd have to say NO. Education is sometimes a horrible thing because you loose that fantasy that Big Daddy is taking care of you properly. Those that have bothered to get one about our government would never believe anything that they say -- especially in any speeches. This is how you can tell how informed a person is by whether they feel "safe" from our government or they don't. No one should feel safe from this government of ours.
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[ edited by Borillar on Jan 31, 2003 11:29 PM ]
posted on February 1, 2003 01:08:59 AM new
Katy,I will check those links out today when I get up,I just got out of a very longgggggggg link and fixing to fall out of the chair,and my butt hurts..
Thankyou for taking the time to post them.
