posted on March 31, 2003 02:01:43 PM new
Hi Antiquary! As if they'll be anything left for the inspectors to inspect! Bush said that this war wouldn't end until they accomplished their goal. So maybe the war won't end until they find the proof (WOMD) that they needed to go to war in the first place. And if they don't find anything at a cost of $50 billion a month... well, nevermind.
posted on March 31, 2003 02:12:08 PM new
"Our operation is interrupted because of hostilities. We expect to go back with full authority after the cessation of hostilities, to resume our inspection activities in Iraq," he said.
"The world has learned over three decades that only through impartial, international inspections can credibility be generated," he said. "Iraq is no exception to that requirement."
posted on March 31, 2003 02:21:10 PM new
I agree kraftdinner...So maybe the war won't end until they find the proof (WOMD) that they needed to go to war in the first place. And if they don't find anything at a cost of $50 billion a month... well, nevermind.
If Saddam had just done what he agreed to in 1991 and for the remaining years afterward we wouldn't have to go in there now and look for ourselves. He's had ample time to show proof the WOMD he is know to have, was destroyed. He didn't.
posted on March 31, 2003 07:19:45 PM new
No way they'd admit not finding anything now. If they have to they'll ship something in to find like some cops keep a throw down gun.
posted on April 1, 2003 07:35:31 AM newNo way they'd admit not finding anything now. If they have to they'll ship something in to find like some cops keep a throw down gun.
Helen and KD agree.
Doesn't appear to me to be a pro-American statement.
Helen Looks like the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency watches it too. To me, you give too much credit to the reliability to the findings of the IAEA. You appear to be forgetting Colin Powell's statement. In a recent speech he made to the UN, while discussing this 'you have no proof' senario, that in previous inspections the IAEA was just about to declare to the UN that Iraq had no WOMD when it was proved to the world that they did.
posted on April 1, 2003 07:55:53 AM new
Helen - Your agreement with the statement implies you wouldn't be surprised that if our country doesn't find these items, you believe we'd plant them there.
Since Bush can't do it himself...you're implying our nation's military would do so. That is not a pro-American statement.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 1, 2003 08:36:31 AM new
Helen - When I've called your statements anti-American, when others here have seen you and other posters make statements they see as being anti-American, we have referred to those people as Anti-Americans. You and others, have denied those alligations.
You've asked me to prove to you where you've ever made a statement against your country. Since the search mode doesn't allow retreaval of any but the most current posts, I decided to point out where I see posts that support my statements. This is an example of one.
If you see this statement about our country planting these weapons as pro-American, maybe that is why you don't believe/accept my claims.
It is not my intent to harrass you. But when you deny making statements, ask for proof, then I will point out the proof you ask for.
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The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 1, 2003 08:54:45 AM new
You're just trying to run off or shut down opposing political viewpoints, Linda. Everybody knows that by now, if they didn't long ago.
Preach on!
Don Quixote is the neoconservative prototype.
Prove to me that disageeing is anti-american...in other words, in your own twisted little logic prove to me that the Constitution is an Anti-American document.
The only Anti-American here is the one who calls another anti-amercan for exercising free speech, the MOST American of the Bill of Rights.
So Linda...You are the Anti-American, not us, YOU! And the rest of America with an IQ above a rock would support me, NOT YOU!
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both boldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
- Julius Caesar
posted on April 1, 2003 09:19:38 AM new
Back off Antiquary this is between Helen and myself. - Helen has challenged me to prove my statements. I'm proving them.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 1, 2003 10:20:26 AM new If you see this statement about our country planting these weapons as pro-American, maybe that is why you don't believe/accept my claims
But planting evidence is as "American" as it gets. It is a time-honored tradition in the government system to plant evidence and "find" it later. We invented the ploy...
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both boldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
- Julius Caesar
posted on April 1, 2003 10:43:35 AM new
What does anti-american have to do with the Bill of Rights?
No one here said you don't have those freedoms or rights, just by your being allowed to post to a public board or standing on your street corner begging for change mlecher, even anti-americans are covered under those rights that many have fought and died for.
A few here have postings that are biasedly for Saddam and country, therefore it is easy for me to see that they have anti-american sentiments... actually mlecher you are anti-american as it stands today.... the America you want doesn't exist and thank God probably will never exist...
Anyone who is not for America as it is right now, this minute, could be said to be anti-american...
Just because you disagree is not being anti-american, when your disagreements lend aid and comfort to our enemy, that is being anti-american
A couple of posters mentioned before they left, that you were hysterical. An appropriate word for your behavior toward me is obnoxious. I would imagine that most of the people here, who start threads do not want them interrupted by one of your tirades about your doubt of my loyalty to America and of course, neither do I. That's not because I can't defend myself but because I have more pleasant ways to spend my time.
I was just playing around with colin today and here you come along ....not to call me anti-American this time because you have received a little heat about that, but using the phrase, "not pro-American".
You have access to the search feature that goes back over a year and you haven't found a shred of evidence that I am not loyal to my country. I asked you on another thread to prove your allegation and you cannot do it. I believe that you may be interpreting my dislike of the Bush administration as anti-American. But on that score, you were told again and again how illogical that is and you still refuse to accept it. Without this evidence which you have not found, and will not be able to find, you are trying to discredit my character. Your constant harassment is becoming extremely unpleasant and offensive...not only to me but to everyone else here.
So one more time, I'm asking you nicely, to stop. Maybe I can start a daily thread just for you..."Linda neeeeeds to bash Helen. Pleeeeeease post here".
Telling antiquary to "back off" is just more evidence of your unacceptable behavior. You should take a break and think about what you are doing here.
posted on April 1, 2003 11:01:36 AM new
Helen - There are plenty of anti-American statements you've made. I don't have a problem saying that to you. But even when I present one to you, as I have done here, you won't admit it. So...what's the point. It's a waste of time and energy to continue. I'm done.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
Helen - There are plenty of anti-American statements you've made. I don't have a problem saying that to you. But even when I present one to you, as I have done here, you won't admit it. So...what's the point. It's a waste of time and energy to continue. I'm done.
That's a good decision, to be "done" and you're right that I will not admit making an anti-American statement because I have never made one.
posted on April 1, 2003 12:31:54 PM new
Awwww... Helen do we need to do some copy and pasting from some previous threads?
Well that can be your story and you can tell it however you want...
As far as you keep bring up posters that left... none have left that were worth a sh*t anyway... had they any back bone or integrity they would of stayed.
Do you really think the government has not lied to us over and over again? If you don't know that you have been sleeping. If someone lies to you over and over for years and you think they may lie again it is just realism not prejudice.
If you turn a blind eye to it you are not loyal - you are an enabler. This is not behavior to reward.
posted on April 1, 2003 01:02:55 PM new"As far as you keep bring up posters that left... none have left that were worth a sh*t anyway... had they any back bone or integrity they would of stayed."
posted on April 1, 2003 01:32:01 PM new
gravid - Do you really think the government has not lied to us over and over again[/i]?
Did I say that? No. You and I have discussed this 'trust' issue before. Maybe there are times when I trust way too much and maybe there are times when you don't trust enough. That's just how we are.
But finding out that our government has lied to us in the past, when it can be proven, is quite different than accusing and speculating that they're most likely going to do what you suggested they do, in the future. How does one defend against such an attack?
And as I said, since Bush couldn't personally do this himself, it would require our troops to be in collusion with this plan. And if you think that's the case, you are slamming, in the worst way possible, those who are over there, ready to give their lives for our country. And I find that most offensive.
If you turn a blind eye to it you are not loyal - you are an enabler. This is not behavior to reward.
No, it's that we're in disagreement about whether our government has done more things right/honestly than it has done wrong. Nothing's perfect...and I certainly wouldn't expect a bureaucracy the size of ours to have always done everything above board.
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The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
As if they'll be anything left for the inspectors to inspect! Bush said that this war wouldn't end until they accomplished their goal. So maybe the war won't end until they find the proof (WOMD) that they needed to go to war in the first place. And if they don't find anything at a cost of $50 billion a month... well, nevermind.
