neonmania
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posted on May 1, 2003 09:13:52 AM new
This morning 48 crewman from the USS Lincoln will be sworn in as US citizens in San Diego. The crewmen flew in a couple days ago to go thru final steps and after their swearing in today, will greet their shipmates tomorrow when they stop off in San Diego to drop off their Camp Pendleton based marines before returning to their home base in Washington.
More than 31,000 noncitizens are currently on active duty in the armed forces, including more than 8,000 stationed in California, according to the Immigration Policy Center.
At least seven of the U.S. casualties in Iraq have been noncitizens.
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 1, 2003 09:17:22 AM new
Good, at least they earned their citizenship, not like some who crawled over here on their bellies and got in via amnesty...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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neonmania
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posted on May 1, 2003 09:36:42 AM new
Twelve - can't you just say something nice without sprinkling a little poison on top for flavor?
Your comments betray your bigotry since I don't think there are a lot of Cuban, Filipino or Dominicans "crawling on their bellies" across their borders to ours.
Dam those Canadian bellie crawling immigrants!
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 1, 2003 10:03:24 AM new
LOL @ the Canadians
BUT I know a guy, actually he's my brothers friend, when everyone was 'running up to Canada' to avoid the draft, he came here to the U.S. and joined the Army, and served in Vietnam, JUST to become a citizen. Now this was back in the 60's. Got the VA loan and all later on, doing good. But he laughs today, thinking, while young guys were headed up there to his country, he came on down, and joined the army here to go to Vietnam
Art Bell Retired! George Noory is on late night coasttocoastam.com
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bear1949
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posted on May 1, 2003 01:35:45 PM new
Twelve....
EXACTLY
neonmania.......
They may not have borders with the US, that's why they swim the river via the MEXICAN border.
[ edited by bear1949 on May 1, 2003 01:42 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on May 1, 2003 01:50:13 PM new
Bear - you know, I have never once read of a boat load of Cuban refugees heading for the Rio Grande.
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keiichem
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posted on May 1, 2003 02:19:39 PM new
The Cuban situation is Political and not all come in to the U.S., they are dispersed through out the world. All others mentioned are strictly economic immigrants.
BTW Austy there are about 5000 Cuban exiles in australia, go talk to them so you can BROADEN YOUR MIND, and find out the realities of the island prison, from the people themselves.
max
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neonmania
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posted on May 1, 2003 02:39:14 PM new
Max - I was actually just using Cuba as an example, I could have just as easily said Iran, Pakistan, Equador or any of the dozen other countries that that the men and women sworn in today came from. For some reason people seem to believe that immigrants only come from or thru Mexico and are smuggled or sneak across the border.
BTW - I must make a correction - all week the news stations have been saying 4 dozen to be sworn in but the actual number was 44.
[ edited by neonmania on May 1, 2003 02:41 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 1, 2003 03:15:44 PM new
Neon, am I a bigot against criminals who enter this country illegally? You BET!
Am I all for those that come here legally... You BET!
It is too bad you can't see the difference...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on May 1, 2003 04:32 PM ]
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bear1949
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posted on May 1, 2003 04:14:23 PM new
The Cuban boat people are doing a good job feeding all the sharks.
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keiichem
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posted on May 1, 2003 07:24:16 PM new
Actually your right Bear, I lost a cousin in the early 90's trying to escape over the florida straits. He was only looking for freedom.
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bear1949
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posted on May 1, 2003 07:39:55 PM new
There is something to be said for natural selection.
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gravid
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posted on May 1, 2003 08:04:41 PM new
"All others mentioned are strictly economic immigrants."
You must work for the INS to toot that line.
I'm glad you said something that silly.
It saves refuting a more reasoned attempt to hide your bigotry.
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keiichem
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posted on May 1, 2003 08:34:33 PM new
You must work for the INS to toot that line.
I'm glad you said something that silly.
It saves refuting a more reasoned attempt to hide your bigotry.
What the hell does that mean???
Filipinos at the moment ARE economic immigrants and dominicans ARE economic immigrants. What bigotry is that!!!
[ edited by keiichem on May 1, 2003 08:37 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on May 1, 2003 10:21:12 PM new
Don't bother Max, you are trying to find logic in the statement of someone who believes that nuking Mecca will lead to peace in the middle east and the end of terrorism.
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profe51
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posted on May 1, 2003 11:22:00 PM new
The Cuban boat people are doing a good job feeding all the sharks.
There is something to be said for natural selection.
Your hateful posts are proof that it doesn't work all the time 
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If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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bear1949
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posted on May 2, 2003 07:46:38 AM new
Should allow MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to run the straits to feed the sharks.
If they want to enter the US, apply for a visa.
Let us be thankful for the fools like prof. But for them the rest of us could not succeed
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profe51
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posted on May 2, 2003 12:59:24 PM new
like I said....
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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neonmania
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posted on May 2, 2003 01:15:01 PM new
Bear - after reading your posts I wuld have to say that the only thing you hav succeeded at is making yourself look like a close minded bigoted fool. Next to you, Reamond and Twelve look absolutely liberal.
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 2, 2003 02:26:37 PM new
You mean like your demeaning post there prof?
You talk the high road, but you sure take the low one often enough...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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keiichem
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posted on May 2, 2003 07:32:14 PM new
Cubans are offered political asylum should they reach U.S. soil. Same as any defector in the past from the old soviet union or east germany.
20,000 visas are granted annually (so they can defect without risking their lives) but the castro regime releases a fraction of them only. many who cross the straits have legal visas to enter but have been waiting years for cuba to allow them. Cuba practices family seperation as a form of business forcing only one (son,father daughter, etc.) to send money back to the island.
Hopeless desperation is what leads these people to attempt crazy antics in order to reach freedom.
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bear1949
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posted on May 4, 2003 08:14:32 PM new
There is a MARKED DIFFERENCE between bigotry & racism.
In some ways everyone can be labeled a bigot. Example, the defination of BIGOT:
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot
In this caseYes I can be labeled a bigot because I am against ILLEGIAL ALIENS ENTERING THE U.S.A.
Neon, when you differ with someone elses opinion, then you TOO can be labeled a bigot.
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profe51
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posted on May 4, 2003 08:29:54 PM new
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ....In this caseYes I can be labeled a bigot because I am against ILLEGIAL ALIENS ENTERING THE U.S.A.
I don't think anyone here thinks you're a bigot because you are opposed to undocumented aliens...however, being strongly partial, and being intolerant are two very different things. Disagreeing with something or someone does not make you a bigot.Being intolerant often does.
People here might think you're a bigot for making statements which betray your intolerance, like
Should allow MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to run the straits to feed the sharks.
That, and the fact that you seem compelled to call people names at the slightest provocation. I don't think that's bigoted however, just childish.
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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neonmania
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posted on May 4, 2003 09:21:44 PM new
Bear- I find it laughable that when Aust decides to play word games enacting literally as opposed to the generally accepted definitations of words (such as semitic/anti-semitic) everyone jumps down hjis throat and yet here you are doing the same thing.
Let me clarify my position.
Anyone who wished death upon individuals who are attempting to escape the exact type of government that you condemn so heavily in an effort to be cute, or to rasie ire is a tacky, classless, hypocrit.
Anyone who wishes death upon another individual who is doing nothing more than crossing a border in an attempt to make a better life for themself is sadly lacking in humanity.
In your case, I may have incorrectly labeled you as a bigot based on your comments which were directed at persons of a latin origin. Perhaps the descriptions above would be more appropriate.
As for the possibility of me being a bigot? Yes, to some extent I am. I have very little tolerence for those that feel that ones location on this planet at their time of birth somehow gives them more rights to a decent life. I also have very little tolerence for those that feel that racial background is a determining factor in the worthiness of a person. Difference is, I do not wish death upon these people, I merely wish for enlightenment.
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bear1949
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posted on May 5, 2003 09:37:57 AM new
My thoughts & feeling on illegal immigrants does not apply only to those of latin]/b] heritage. It applies to [b]ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Dozens of mojado's die each year crossing the S Texas border area from thirst. Others in the same area die when caught breaking into homes of ranchers & farmers.
The point is, The manner of their deaths is determined by their OWN choice and manner of transportation.
THEY fall into the Flordia straits, drown & get eaten be sharks. Is it the sharks fault?
THEY die of thirst in S Texas & their remains are picked over by vultures & coyotes. Is it the vultures & coyotes fault?
THEY die of suffocation & heat in locked freight cars. Is it the fault of the railroad car?
NO, it is their OWN fault because they and they alone are responsible for their own actions.
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neonmania
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posted on May 5, 2003 12:03:57 PM new
I do not blame the sharks, the railroad cars, or the sun (with is the acuurate villian as opposed to the carion that appear after death in the dessert deaths). I do however hold in contempt those that root for the sharks, sun and railroad cars.......
I believe these are your quotes.....
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The Cuban boat people are doing a good job feeding all the sharks.
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There is something to be said for natural selection.
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Should allow MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to run the straits to feed the sharks.
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bear1949
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posted on May 5, 2003 02:53:16 PM new
EXACTLY, it is their own actions that lead to their demise.
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msincognito
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posted on May 5, 2003 03:23:09 PM new
I don't see how anyone can defend U.S. immigration policy that declares all Cubans to be valid political refugees while turning away or interning Haitian and Chinese refugees.
And quite frankly, I am proud to share my nationality with anyone who wants to be American so badly that they'll give their life savings to be crammed into the hold of a boat for three weeks, or risk being shot by border guards just to make it across. Put the INS to work stopping the flow of illegal drugs and laundered money into this country, and reinstate the welcome for those who just want a better life.
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keiichem
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posted on May 5, 2003 06:20:47 PM new
I don't see how anyone can defend U.S. immigration policy that declares all Cubans to be valid political refugees while turning away or interning Haitian and Chinese refugees.
Let's see; the chinese have taiwan ( free China ) the hatians have the left leaning Aristide put back in power by UN intervention. ( no more political strife, economic YES, maybe its the left leaning policies?) And the Cubans have U.S. protection through the CUBAN ADJUSTMENT ACT inacted by CONGRESS. Yes msincognito Cuba is an opressive, murdering, drug trafficking regime NOT the utopian dreamland you have been brainwashed to believe.
Maybe you should learn a bit msincognito
before you go echoing anti-freedom socialist propaganda.
max
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profe51
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posted on May 5, 2003 08:28:20 PM new
max,
What part of misincognito's thread lead you to believe that she believes Cuba is a "utopian dreamland"? I looked, but can't find it.
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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