posted on June 26, 2003 08:28:14 PM new
Helenjw
You said the best insurance is to know how to swim.
while I agree with you on that point. but not every parent teaches their child/children to swim at an early age.
like I said every day in the news here in Florida you hear of a child that as drowned in a swimming pool,
sad but true, had a 4yr old girl die tonight that was vacationing here in Florida. Said that the mom lost track of her.
While there have been many devices for home pools, they still say you still need parental supervision.
I used this as an example in the other thread, just an example.
I do feel tho, that our children are at a greater risk for all kinds of things, as parents are preoccupied with other things.
I agree that raising kids is 24/7 and the hardest job there is.Some parents don't do it 24/7 tho.
My sister in law is one of them, she has a 7yr old girl with a new baby boy on the way.Am I a little scared, yes I am.{if you knew her you'd be too}
posted on June 26, 2003 09:15:44 PM new
If families weren't dissolving, and society decaying, and in the case of 2 parents, we didn't BOTH need to go to work all day and even nights, then perhaps our children would have more of what they really need and people wouldn't be calling for tracking devises.
This is offered up largely as a defence against a symptom of our decaying societies and does not address the problems.
Perhaps some of these same people that are asking for tracking devises in kids because parents are just plain tired, could consider providing parents with an permanent intravenous drip full of cocaine.
This paedophilia is a western Anglo dominated society problem.
Just face it, and ask why and do something about that.
Next time you hear an adult tell a child that they look 'sexy' ask them how it can be that the child makes them horny.
Then we can go on and get rid of some of these miss teen and pre-teen beauty quests.
Is this kind of 'appeal' you see in children. This is not the kind of appeal I want my kids to aspire to achieve and to portray.
Is it so hard to understand that erotic films make adults horny, well then why let kids watch them, are they the role models we want.
posted on June 26, 2003 09:26:54 PM new"permanent intravenous drip full of cocaine"
LOL!!!
Wrightsracing,
On the other thread, I thought that you were too critical of parents. Maybe I misunderstood your comment? Sometimes, even though parents do the very best that they can, accidents happen. As this information from the CDC indicates, it ony takes less that five minutes.
Frankly, I've never known a parent like you described in the other thread...so self absorbed and disinterested that the children's lives are in danger.
Children under age one most often drown in bathtubs, buckets, and toilets.
Among children ages 1 to 4 years, most drownings occur in residential swimming pools. Most young children who drowned in pools were last seen in the home, had been out of sight less than five minutes, and were in the care of one or both parents at the time
Children 1 to 14 years of age: In 2000, 943 children ages 0 to 14 years died from drowning (CDC 2002). While drowning rates have been declining slowly over time (Branche 1999), it remains the second-leading cause of injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 (CDC 2002).
posted on June 26, 2003 09:47:43 PM new
A tracking devise will not save children from drowning at home.
How stupid is that, we already know where they are.
posted on June 27, 2003 04:26:46 AM new
In this day and age is very hard not to be over-protective of your child. My daughter will not let her daughter out of her sight when they are outdoors. Then again, Tiffany is only 4 (5 in July). There's a boy that lives a couple doors down. Everyday I see him all over the neighborhood on his bike. He darts across busy streets like kids of the habit of doing. Until recently, I though he had to be at least 8 or 9 years old. His parents were never outside watching him. Well, I found out he's 5. He's unsupervised most days. He's at our home a lot because he plays with Tiffany, but his parents don't know that because they're (the kids) inside the house watching TV. I've had to go down a couple of times to tell them where there son is at. Granted, he's pretty mature for a 5 year old. But, he's still only 5.
What worries me is that a more or two ago a teenage girl was abducted not 1 mile from here. She has not been heard from or seen since. She was my husband's great neice; my children's cousin. Knowing that, I would think this child's parents would more carefully watch their son.
Implanting a child's head with a chip is not the solution. Finding and properly prosecuting the pedaphiles is. Yesterday, a clergyman in this area was sentenced for taking a young boy across state lines to have sex. His sentence? Three months probation. Yes, you read right. What the heck kind of sentence is that. The "cruel and unusual punishment" statement should be thrown out in the case of child molesters. It should not apply. It has been shown more than one time that these pervs cannot be cured of their obsessions. JMO.
Watch your children. Know where they are. Get to know their friends by regularly inviting them into your home. Sit down with your teenagers and their friends and just talk. It works!
Please forgive spelling errors. I know that Vendio has a spell check, but I have a pop-up blocker. I cannot disable it for some reason with the Vendio pop-ups. While I like the spell checker, did they have to make it a pop-up?
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Jun 27, 2003 05:13 AM ]
posted on June 27, 2003 06:30:45 AM new
And, as Hilary wrote in her book, it takes a village. We should do all that we can to help parents - especially those that are alone and underpriviledged. I have taught a few children how to swim and helped with the neighborhood school for example.
Instead of focusing so much energy on blaming parents we should all think about how we can help.
Helen
LOL, Cheryl.I had one of those pop up blockers for about 30 minutes.
posted on June 27, 2003 09:13:19 AM new
The trick with swimming pools is to put up barriers that slow a kid down just long enough for a parent to realize what they're up to and teach kids to fend for themselves in the water.
A local firefighter/EMT helped push a bill through the state Legislature that requires some kind of barrier on new pools (though they don't have to be installed on existing ones, which I think is dumb.) When people object, he shuts them up in a hurry by telling them about a call about five or six years ago ... when he got there he realized the unconscious boy on the sofa was his 2-year-old son. The babysitter had just gone into the next room to get some clean clothes, and the baby wandered out of the room and fell in the pool. What a nightmare.
------------------- We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are.
------------The Talmud
posted on June 27, 2003 10:45:27 AM new
They do have a swimsuit out that my mother bought for my granddaughter. It actually will keep the child afloat if they don't know how to swim yet. My granddaughter wears it if she's going to be where there is water such as a lake or pool.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
posted on June 27, 2003 06:00:39 PM new
I am not saying that all parents are this way.
We have a store at a local fleamarket, their is at least 1 child that gets seperated from the parents each week end and you hear a notice over the loud speaker.
We had a 4-5yr old a few weeks ago, take an item of ours out of our store, and ran up 3-4 rows { it is some distance, like 250 ft} to show his DAD this item. It was harmless, as the kid didn't know what he was doing, But the point I am making here, is that this 4-5yrd old kid is by himself and quite a distance from his dad, and the market is full of people. Some one at any time could have picked up this kid and walked away with him.
Then I also see some kids on a leash, like you are walking your dog, but the kids are with the parents, and they are kept close.
{ not saying I agree with it, but it may help from a child getting lost}
I am not saying here that a parent will beable to prevent some tragies from happening, but common sence sure helps.
As for the mother taking a nap, that did happen here like 3yrs ago, the mother was taking a nap, and the 3yr old opened the sliding glass door and in to the pool she went. The door was not locked.
We have a pool, I have 2 locks on each of the doors leading to the pool, 1 is a high lock on each door.When ever someone comes over with kids, they don't go out the door, unless I am right there with them, and I stay with them, while they are out there.
When my neice comes over, she can swim, but yet she can't swim, If shefell in, I am not sure she would know what to do. I have told her, and showed her, but is that enough ??, So I keep an eye on her, and never take my eyes off of her.
My son has a friend that can not swim, he is 9yrs old. I have tried to teach him { I am sure the neighbors that I was killing the kid with his screaming} I am surprized that the cops have not shown up yet. I will keep at it, until he knows how to swim and can do it well.
His parents are dips, and thats being really nice. All they know how to do is yell] at the kid. They do nothing with him. and I mean nothing !!!!!!.Have you ever heard of a kid getting a I O U from santa clause ??? He did.Not 1 gift for him, and they had some money, but it went for booze and drugs. I take him to the movies, we go out to eat, we go to the park, ect.. I couldn't beleive it the 1st time when we took him to the book store.You would have thought the kid was in a candy store.He didn't know what to do 1st. He is a great reader and he enjoys it, so I enjoy buying him books.
Sorry I am rambling on and on.
Soory for any spelling errors as I can't get the spell check to work.
[ edited by wrightsracing on Jun 27, 2003 06:06 PM ]
posted on June 28, 2003 06:56:54 PM new
You do need to watch a kid like a hawk. However you are talking about a 6 year plus span of time during which time a parent is going to be tired and sick any number of days. There are human limits to being alert. Some people will drift off sitting on the sofa tired just like they do driving a car. The fact is over that many years there WILL be five minutes here and there that tradgedy can strike. Most of us don't have the circumstances combine to the wrong time to lose the kid. Some people have much better support from family to help them. Some have easy going obediant kids and some have stinking little hellions. Until we have the sort of society that doesn't have auto accidents or surgeries that go bad we are going to have children die in accidents. Even to smart caring parents.
posted on June 28, 2003 07:21:03 PM new
All I can say is that I'm glad you can't have kids, twelve. They'd all have been brought up in foster care. Although I think a paddling on the backside with the back of your hand doesn't harm a child, I do think a belt does. There is no place for that kind of corporal punishment.
Keeping an eye on your child 24/7 and working and taking care of a home and a husband (if you have one) is an exhausting job. If someone has to do it alone, it's next to impossible to keep your child out of harms way all the time. You not only have to watch your child, you have to teach him or her at a very early age. We've never had to lock one cupboard and have never blocked one staircase from my granddaughter and she's now 5. They are capable of learning more than you think at a very early age.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
