TXPROUD
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posted on August 20, 2003 01:18:21 PM new
Another reason to close the borders..
Report finds drag on wages
Researchers analyze new immigrants
Associated Press
LOS ANGELES -- Blue-collar workers toiling alongside recent Hispanic immigrants earn lower pay, evidence that the low wages of the new arrivals drives down pay for all, a study says.
The UCLA Chicano Studies Research Center study released this week analyzed 1990 Census data on male blue-collar and service workers in 15 states. It found that men -- both native and established immigrants -- earned 11 percent less than others in comparable low-level service and manual jobs when they worked with Hispanic newcomers.
Minority workers in those jobs earned an average of 14 percent less. And the higher the proportion of newly arrived Hispanic men, the less money the other workers tended to make.
Information from the 2000 Census has not been released, said Lisa Catanzarite, a sociologist who conducted the study.
"These findings push us to understand that wage penalties in 'brown-collar' occupations stem from newcomer Latinos' marginal status, and not from immigration, per se," Catanzarite said.
Employer attitudes, as well as the low status of immigrants when they first come to the United States, are to blame for the disparity in wages in some jobs, Catanzarite said.
Many employers devalue certain jobs held largely by Hispanic immigrants, such as landscaping, construction and farm labor, and pay less. And immigrants have little political power to demand proper pay, so they end up working for less, Catanzarite said.
"If you have a vulnerable group, when they're exploited, then that can push down wages for everybody," she said.
The study urges expanding worker protections for immigrants, enforcing minimum wage rules and extending amnesty.
Catanzarite said people should not infer from the study that immigrant labor hurts American workers. "The findings don't suggest that immigration overall is hurting native-born workers," she said. "Some of these jobs wouldn't even exist if those immigrants weren't here."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/2056829
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davebraun
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posted on August 20, 2003 01:32:16 PM new
Catanzarite said people should not infer from the study that immigrant labor hurts American workers. "The findings don't suggest that immigration overall is hurting native-born workers," she said. "Some of these jobs wouldn't even exist if those immigrants weren't here."
Only some pea brained cracker would draw the ignorant conclusion which prefaced this thread.
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Fenix03
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posted on August 20, 2003 01:33:18 PM new
So you decided to ignore this aspect of your own link?
Catanzarite said people should not infer from the study that immigrant labor hurts American workers. "The findings don't suggest that immigration overall is hurting native-born workers," she said. "Some of these jobs wouldn't even exist if those immigrants weren't here."
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:05:19 PM new
IF anyone on this thread is a "pea brain cracker" its you DB and pea would probably be overshooting it in your case.
They may make more money cause they don't pay any TAXES like the American Citizen's do. We pay the taxes so they can go to the doctor for free while we do without medical insurance for our families.
We have an immigration agency for a reason PEA BRAIN- so immigrants can register with it and the US can keep control on its immigrant population.
We have naturalization too for a reason, so immigrants may become citizens and there is a proceeduer to the process, not just slipping through the border at midnight. Thats not the correct way to become a citizen.
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davebraun
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:09:37 PM new
I see you're still upset that the self service gas stations ended your promising career. Not a problem, you can still check the tires as you have no lack of hot air.
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:10:47 PM new
you clever reparte is so thrilling, please pummel us with more...whats the matter, did they water your gruel down to thin this morning?
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:19:52 PM new
what!? no rabid liberal frothing at the mouth comeback?
on the side of the people one minute and insulting people who work at service stations the next?
got a beef with the blue collar man? think he is lowly or somthing cause he has to pay taxes and get dirty at the end of the day?
Was your trust fund check late this month?
Why some grumpy and calling people crackers? that sounds racist to me. HATE SPEECH! isn't there some central liberal hate speech crime lab I can report this too?
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Fenix03
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:24:39 PM new
Orleans - it is the employer and not the employee that is responsible for submitting and reporting taxes. If this is really a problem for you, attack the employers that are knowingly hiring illegals. Many illegals however are paying taxes, they are just doing it under falsified SSN numbers. Those are taxes that pay for services that they cannot access and that will never be refunded to them as they are to others in their salary bracket. Illegals are not taking your jobs sweetheart, they are taking the jobs others don't want or take only to tide them over while they seek a "real" job. If you want to know why many illegals earn a higher wage than a legal citizen in the same menial job it is usually because the illegal is committed to the job and has been there for much longer and will probably be there long after the "legals" have moved on.
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 02:48:48 PM new
Well there there, HONEY PIE SWEET HEART BABY DOLL THANG--- that all sounded so tidy tidy. BUT BEING A FORMER EMPLOYER the federal goverment forces me to match the social security of every employeee and pay workers compensation. For a small business owner that just about sent me to the poor house.
I don't know how long it has been since you have held a job, but you do pay state and federal income tax and it does come out of your check on a weekly basis. Your employer only sends it to the goverment for you because that is his or her responsiblity. But that employer must MATCH your social security deduction OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET.
Good luck on the falsified social security urban myth. That does not happen. You cannot falsify a social security number for very long because the feds will get you in about two seconds and you will go to jail and the employer will go to jail.
Upon taking a job a signed social security card must be photo copied and submitted by the employer. A photo ID must also be submittted of you as well with the ss# as well as all your personal information and birth certificates.
My fact was right on - an immigrant is not having taxes taken out of his check so he will keep more of his paycheck. The federal goverment makes it almost impossible for a small business to operate in this country. Small business will hire them if they can so they can make a profit to even exsist. This is why there is a demand for the labor. Maybe one day you will go into business and you can see how it works for yourself.
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Fenix03
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posted on August 20, 2003 03:33:19 PM new
::Well there there, HONEY PIE SWEET HEART BABY DOLL THANG::
See that';s part of your problem dearheart - you spent so much time trying to figure out how to be witty that you missed the whole point....
::BUT BEING A FORMER EMPLOYER the federal goverment forces me to match the social security of every employeee and pay workers compensation. For a small business owner that just about sent me to the poor house. ::
I realize that, I used to deal with those things myself. I seem to remember that it would be very difficult to file those taxes if said employee had no SSN. According to your initial post you stated that illegals make more because they pay no taxes. If they ae paying no taxes it is because an employers has knowingly hired an illegal and is breaking the law themselves.
::I don't know how long it has been since you have held a job, but you do pay state and federal income tax and it does come out of your check on a weekly basis.::
Mine was bi-weekly. It's now quarterly as I am self employed. .
::Good luck on the falsified social security urban myth. That does not happen. You cannot falsify a social security number for very long because the feds will get you in about two seconds and you will go to jail and the employer will go to jail. ::
Please tell that to the individual that over 33k in 1996 while using my SSN and made my life with the IRS hell as I had to go to various employers of said individual and procure afidavits that I was not the person they had employed and paid. Seven years later and they still crop up with a new cell phone or job here and there, still using my SSN and name.
::Upon taking a job a signed social security card must be photo copied and submitted by the employer. A photo ID must also be submittted of you as well with the ss# as well as all your personal information and birth certificates. ::
I can buy one of those for $50 in downtown LA. For $400, I can get a birth certificate, ID and SS Card.
::My fact was right on - an immigrant is not having taxes taken out of his check so he will keep more of his paycheck.::
How can you mke the statements you make above and then make this one? Taxes are not voluntary. You don't get to go to your employer and tell him not to take taxes out of your check. Hence the reason I stated that perhaps in your righteous indigancy you should go after the employers that are knowingly hiring illegals.
::Maybe one day you will go into business and you can see how it works for yourself.::
ROFL! There is nothing quite so amusing as a self rightious fool.
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davebraun
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posted on August 20, 2003 03:40:53 PM new
If you claim over a certain number of dependents no income tax will be withheld from your paycheck. You will still have FICA withheld however. Many employers see these as being unwarranted and at the time they were established the Republican minority argued against these and most other workers benefits as they still do.
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 03:41:11 PM new
Well you obviously know it all there missy so you just keep on rollin with it. I just worked in the employment industry for 5 years and falsified documents are easily detected by a credible employer.
Sorry to hear you had your idenity stolen. That would be tough. But idenity theft really is not the issue. Hope it works out for you.
HAve you ever heard of a W2 form? taxes are mandatory unless you have a real good reason for NOT paying them. You may claim 20 or whatever dependants and have no taxes taken from your check but if your earnings exceed the goverment level you will have to pay federal income tax and furnish proof of the number of dependants in your household if you are audited.
Most employers send in the taxes according to the amount of dependants claimed and it is MANDADTORY on the part of the employer and the social security that is deducted must be matched dollar for dollar out of the employers pocket.
You really need to see an accountant honey.
[ edited by orleansgallery on Aug 20, 2003 03:42 PM ]
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Fenix03
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posted on August 20, 2003 04:16:00 PM new
Have you actually read anything I wrote? You are just stepping all over your own theory here and proving mine.
If an illegal is not paying taxes it is because his employer is filly aware of their status and is also breaking the law.
If the illegal is paying taxes, it is done under a false identity and they are in effect paying MORE taxes than other workers in the same bracket as they are unable to file for the refunds that are nearly automatic at low end salary levels.
I don't need an accountant - you just need to decide what side of the arguement you are taking and then present facts that SUPPORT it.
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 04:20:46 PM new
okay let me qualify this for you I said in my original post "that is the employer not the employee who is responsible for SUBMITTING AND REPORTING taxes" - If you work for me, it is MY responsibility to have a W2 form on you and in my quarterly report, I must SUBMIT AND REPORT the amount of taxes taken from your check to the FEDERAL GOVERMENT. I did not SAY it was NOT your responsibility to PAY your taxes - it is your responsibility to pay your taxes and my responsiblity as an employer to SUBMIT AND REPORT -
why are you so confused?
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Fenix03
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posted on August 20, 2003 04:51:00 PM new
I think you are the one that is confused....
I said in my original post "that is the employer not the employee who is responsible for SUBMITTING AND REPORTING taxes"
From your original post.....
They may make more money cause they don't pay any TAXES like the American Citizen's do. We pay the taxes so they can go to the doctor for free while we do without medical insurance for our families.
Please point out to me where in that statement there is a single mention of their employer?
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 04:54:10 PM new
as deter would say on SAturday night life
do you want to p et my monkey?
BECAUSE THIS HAS BECOME TIRESOME!
whatever. Just don't get nacho stains on your w2s they will think you are being a racist.
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davebraun
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posted on August 20, 2003 05:18:14 PM new
W-2 wage earners are required to submit IRS Form W-9 which contains their taxpayer identification number as well as any dependents of the taxpayer which is used to determine withholding. Non-citizens are required to fill out IRS Form W-8 in lieu or W-9 which is used for citizens of the US.
Your familiarity or lack thereof with the proper forms suggests the following hypothesis: You don't know jack and by the way I do construe your numerous comments to be racist in nature but then again I have come to expect that.
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orleansgallery
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posted on August 20, 2003 05:22:59 PM new
oh just because you have some vague working knowledge of which forms to fill out makes you the king huh? please, my posts were perfectly clear and utterly correct except for morons like you.
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