davebraun
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posted on October 13, 2003 12:25:45 PM new
The US Army has sent mental health specialists to Iraq to determine why so many soldiers are committing suicide there, a media report said on Monday.
Eleven US soldiers and three Marines have killed themselves in the past seven months in Iraq -- a rate of 17 suicides per 100,000 soldiers. The usual rate of army suicides is 13 per 100,000 soldiers, USA Today reported.
A dozen other Army deaths being investigated in Iraq could include suicides, and the US Navy is also investigating one possible suicide, it said.
"The number of suicides has caused the Army to be concerned," said Lieutenant Colonel Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, an army psychiatrist helping to investigate the deaths.
Most of the suicides have occurred since May 1, when major combat operations were declared over.
Depression, harsh and dangerous living conditions, a long deployment and the accessibility of weapons could contribute to the problem, experts said.
The Army has sent 478 soldiers home from Iraq for mental-health reasons, the daily said.
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 13, 2003 01:23:49 PM new
"Depression, harsh and dangerous living conditions, a long deployment and the accessibility of weapon could contribute to the problem, experts said."
It's statements like this, that earn the experts the big bucks. 
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replaymedia
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posted on October 13, 2003 02:45:09 PM new
I don't get it.
The normal rate is 13 per 100,000 and the EXTRAPOLATED rate is 17. There were still only actually 11 suicides.
13/17=.76=24% Higher than normal
24%x11 actual= 2.64 Extra dead troops.
Now 2.6 extra dead troops is sad, but that's hardly enough to consider a serious "trend."
There could be something wrong with my math, but if we're really only talking about 2.6 troops, you gotta wonder why anyone even NOTICED this.
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2003 04:55:28 PM new
Replay - maybe it's those "still being invistigation possible suicides" in the army troups that wil spike thenumber that could have raised attention.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 13, 2003 05:12:03 PM new
Actually it is just a result of the "pussified" male population "mommy" is creating...
I said it before and I will say now... Single mothers are a bane on this country...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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miscreant
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posted on October 13, 2003 05:34:55 PM new
Then you must support jailing Daddies who don't take responsibility.
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bunnicula
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posted on October 13, 2003 05:42:38 PM new
{b]Twelvepole:[/b] for every "single mommy" there is a "single daddy" (or a married one who was being unfaithful to his wife). It takes two to tango...
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
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NearTheSea
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posted on October 13, 2003 05:42:55 PM new
I certainly am in support of jailing those 'daddies', but better yet, put them in some work program (they have them! ) and have the money go to the kids. If they refuse to work (in either way, jail or out of jail) then they can sit in jail.
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 13, 2003 05:53:55 PM new
If you are talking about paying their child support, I agree... they have no other responsibility than that... it is the WOMAN/GIRL who decides to have children and all the consequences that go along with it...
If they looked at that person they so readily are willing to have a child to keep them around, like they look at a diamond... there probably would be less single mothers.
However, it is apparent that some that "touchy feely" crap they started just before I got out of the Navy is also catching up with them, on the bright side they are doing the gene pool a favor...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Oct 13, 2003 05:55 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:08:32 PM new
it is the WOMAN/GIRL who decides to have children and all the consequences that go along with it...
Oh ya, now it's back to the discussion about the sneaky little bitches.
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miscreant
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:10:50 PM new
have no other responsibility than that... it is the WOMAN/GIRL who decides to have children and all the consequences that go along with it...
Not all of us live in a neolithic culture like you. With my people both decide to have a child and both decide how to raise them.
that "touchy feely" crap they started just before I got out of the Navy
That must have been when the Navy switchted from wooden ships.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:13:27 PM new
LoL!
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Dragonmom
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:56:33 PM new
Twelvepole, why is it that whenever you post... I hear those banjoes dueling?
"And All Shall be Well, and All Shall be Well, and All Manner of Things Shall be Well"
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davebraun
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:37:22 PM new
Not enough forks in the family tree?
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profe51
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posted on October 13, 2003 09:13:50 PM new
Twelvepole, why is it that whenever you post... I hear those banjoes dueling?
"SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!!!!"
....except that was in Georgia, wasn't it ? Not West Virginia....
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2003 03:29:25 AM new
Twelvepole, why is it that whenever you post... I hear those banjoes dueling?
Probably because the little boy is sitting on your front porch....
Plenty of Forks there davey.... but proud to say no deviants...
Wow I am honored, Profe taking a break from his sheep.... baaaaa
Getting back on topic now...
Why is it more soldiers are taking the cowards way out?
They didn't have a strong family growing up and "mommy
was probably the only influence he had in most cases...
...and joined the Army, received all that training and gee we expected him to use it... go figure.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on October 14, 2003 04:01:26 AM new
Has anyone compared the number of suicides in Iraq to those during Viet Nam, Korea or WWII? Doesn't it seem reasonable that the number of suicides increases during times of war?
Think about it...Johnny GI gets shipped overseas to defend his country (or for whatever reason his government gives). His girlfriend Suzie Sweetheart is back at home and stressed because her man is in some serious sh*t. Suzie meets up with Johnny's friend Slick, one thing leads to another then Johnny's getting a Dear John letter. He can't take the thought of his best girl with his best friend and decides to kill himself. I wouldn't be surprised if the divorce rate and infidelity rate is also higher amongst the immediate families of those involved in Iraq right now.
Twelvepole - you make me laugh and shake my head.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 14, 2003 07:10:22 AM new
Well stated, replaymedia. Thank you.
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Doesn't it seem reasonable that the number of suicides increases during times of war? Of course it does. You're expecting reasonable here? 
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miscreant
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posted on October 14, 2003 07:22:07 AM new
"Plenty of Forks there davey.... but proud to say no deviants... "
I do hope you are not the standard that statment is based on.
Probably because the little boy is sitting on your front porch....
Did you miss the point that it is one one the twigs of your branches.
Typical conservitive lying argument that uses a "fact" (single Moms) that has no basis in reality to further some outrageous argument. On your theory men must be walking sperm donating scrotums.
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2003 07:27:15 AM new
No, I didn't miss the point you are probably inbred...miscreant.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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miscreant
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posted on October 14, 2003 07:37:08 AM new
Wow. When a lie is pointed out , you resort to a 3rd grade comeback.
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2003 08:40:33 AM new
I responded at the same level the pathetic attempt at an insult was slung... care to keep trying?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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miscreant
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posted on October 14, 2003 10:33:15 AM new
We are talking about a total of 14 suicides and you want to condemn all single Mothers from that? Typical conservitive deception using a small fact to promote a false belief.
I just figure from the results of your states pathetic education performance, 3rd grade was as high a level as you could muster.
Of course conservitives love keeping education levels low. It breeds more conservitives.
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Dragonmom
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posted on October 14, 2003 11:50:28 AM new
now, I thought that was a good comeback!
But, honestly, Twelve, your point of view is so consistently extreme and abrasive that I sometimes think you must be play-acting.
"Single mothers are the bane on this country'???
How do you feel about abortion rights? should the mother have the right to make that decision- or should she be forced to have an abortion if she's unwed- or should abortion be banned completely- or some combination of those three ideas?
What are your views on this?
"And All Shall be Well, and All Shall be Well, and All Manner of Things Shall be Well"
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2003 12:01:00 PM new
Oh it is now only 14 suicides out of the 1000's of troops, not much news and certainly not worthy of much discussion.
Thank you for making replay media's response the correct one.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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miscreant
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posted on October 14, 2003 12:26:33 PM new
Ahem. 12, please show me where I disagreed with replay or said that the rate was out of hand. It was you who stated the rate was out of hand because of single Moms and now you want to claim you support replay. Just another example of the right using deception to try to make a point.
Soldiers have always fell on their sword or ate their gun. Sometimes as official policy, sometimes as an escape from the pressures. Some wars probably, like Vietnam, had higher rates and some lower. Remember that there are a lot of reservists and their rate may not be any higher then normal rates for young men.
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 14, 2003 12:46:49 PM new
So, single mothers created all the pussified soldiers that are committing suicide? How did you come up with that, Twelve?
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2003 01:15:09 PM new
I am posting my opinion... opinions are not facts...
Much like all that Helen, davey and the rest of the anti-americans post...
However there are studies that show that young males without a Man to guide them, do have problems in life...
As a new comer there dragonmom, I am against abortion in any form... lets try some absitinence, children shouldn't be having children.... weak parents allow this to happen... in weak, I mean they are afraid to act like parents and want to be "friends"
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 14, 2003 01:31:53 PM new
I already know none of your posts are facts, Twelve.
If the single mom theory was true, wouldn't the same hold true for suicides in Viet Nam, the Korean War, WWI, etc?
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2003 01:39:28 PM new
No... they mostly had traditional families... in that respect we can just assume GOD was cleaning out the gene pool...
the use of none in your statement is quite incorrect, but then again that is your opinion and as part of the anti-american crowd you are still entitled to it.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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