posted on October 24, 2003 06:32:19 AM new
After all the overtime non-payment problems they have/had...
It now seems that over 300 of their "cleaning" staff were illegals (mostly from eastern europe) and they knew that there cleaning compnaies hire them...
Have to applaud the INS on making so many coordinated raids to catch these criminals.
Now maybe some LEGAL citizens can have a job... also I hope that Walmart and thier cleaning companies get it... heavy fines.
posted on October 24, 2003 07:51:43 AM new
do you really think they are taking jobs away from the us citizens/residents??
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posted on October 24, 2003 08:56:31 AM new
They could have my job at Walmart...that has got to be one of the worst places I ever worked in my life. I helped set-up a new supercenter in Danville and worked there about four months after. I don't like shopping there either.
posted on October 24, 2003 08:56:58 AM new
I get sick & tired of hearing that illegal aliens do jobs that Americans won't do. That's a bunch of crap. Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on October 24, 2003 09:29:35 AM new
"do you really think they are taking jobs away from the us citizens/residents??"
Well, duh.
SOMEONE has to do the cleaning in Walmart. If illegals cannot do it, then a legal person will do it. It may still be done by immigrants, but it will at least be legal ones.
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posted on October 24, 2003 11:44:34 AM new
The jobs they do you can get a citizen or legal immigrant to do but you'll pay more. That's what it's all about. If a guy has a company packed with illegals he is often barracking them and paying them under minimum.
posted on October 24, 2003 11:49:42 AM new
Which is obviously illegal (and SHOULD be).
Yes, it obviously costs more to hire Americans, as even the low ened Americans get minimum wage.
Sometimes you just have to pay the costs. There are some things that should not be skimped on.
If more businesses were busted for this, MAYBE the number of illegals coming into this country would drop. There are just too many opportunities for them.
I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants. But these "Undocumented Immigrants" (the new PC term) need to be controlled.
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posted on October 24, 2003 01:20:55 PM new
What really gets me. Wal Mart is saying "We didn't know they were illegals, we just hired a conrtactor to clean the stores".
All of them weren't illegal Mexicans, some (in the stores in the Northeast) were illegal's from "Eastern Europe".
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posted on October 24, 2003 01:23:06 PM new
stopwhining - do you really think they are taking jobs away from the us citizens/residents??
I know for a *fact* they are. We have many retired people here in our town have returned to part-time jobs at WalMart and our grocery stores to suppliment their retirement incomes. So, yes...if illegals were taking these jobs they wouldn't be available to US citizens.
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posted on October 24, 2003 02:17:12 PM new
the savings from hiring illegal immigrants may not be passed on to walmart and to the consumers,the employers could pocket gains.
i know builders here use contractors and subcontractors,many of their workers hardly speak english.It is hard to believe they are legal immigrants.
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posted on October 24, 2003 02:39:04 PM new
"savings from hiring illegal immigrants may not be passed on to walmart and to the consumers,the employers could pocket gains."
True. But then, the reason Wal-Mart was using this agency would have had the lowest cost, right? Why do you suppose that was? Yeah, they benefitted.
The CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION (if there is one) would really just depend on whether or not Wal-Mart knew about it or not.
I'm sure in this case, the only ones to suffer are the deported aliens and the unemployed Americans. No one at Walmart is going to lose sleep over it.
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posted on October 24, 2003 03:38:45 PM new
those jobs are not for everyone-retirees ?can they do the job of a 20 years old redneck??
some jobs look easy- think of those dancers in the bar gyrating around in heels??
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posted on October 25, 2003 09:14:39 PM new
They were working for about $2.00 an hour and walmart new it and LOVED it.
I hope they take them to the cleaners.
This is just how they operate in every area of their business. They may have 500 {Just a number}people working at a store, Guess how many work FULL time and get the benefits ??? Not very many, maybe, just maybe 50.
My niece worked for walmart and hired her KNOWING she was pregnant, they kept her for 2 months and then let her go, for some lame reason, {she was a hard worker and didn't miss a day}
She was not the only one they did this too, as 4 more girls got let go also.
If you didn't know. I do not like walmart.
I do like Kmart & target.
posted on October 26, 2003 03:39:48 AM new
stopwhining, we are not talking about the job you wish you could have... think of those dancers in the bar gyrating around in heels
But a job that most any mobile person can do... with the machines used for cleaning those stores...and afterall how much cleaning actually gets done... lots of LEGAL citizens could do it.
Wrightsracing is right about how they hire, as most retailers are doing... few full time and many part time.... does save on benefits.
My sister-in-law worked at Walmart full time and they treated her like dirt when she started having some medical problems and put so much pressure on her she quit.
I think all of Walmart's dirty little secrets are coming out and not so good things are going to be happpening to them.
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posted on October 26, 2003 07:13:38 AM new
twleve,
i wish i could get a job gyrating in heels as a dancer.
but nope,i dont qualify.
thats my point,if the builder has to hire workers who are legal immigrants or native born americans,they would find the retiree population a slim picking.
all around me ,i see new 2 storey houses being built from scratch and it is dangerous work-under the scorching sun,they climb the scaffold to lay bricks,hang around with their shovels while the cement truck backed into the lot and pour cement from the chute.
the builder would be insane to hire retirees who know nothing of home building and could be on medication and get dizzy climbing,dehydrated under the sun and lacking the strength and stamina of an able young man.
as for doing office cleaning ,just walking behind a big sweeping machine,it looks easy,sure,may be for the young ones.
how many of the oldies are not on medication these days,are employers supposed to be medical experts to check which medication they take and assign tasks accordingly.
i dont know of too many jobs which are suitable for seniors-walmart greeters,subway sandwich maker,pizza delivery men,walgreen cashier,mcdonald burgerflipper??
how about going around the neighborhood and inserting flyers around the doorknob?/
telemarketing ,if there is anyjob left??
sell on ebay?
years ago,my parents hashed a scenario of what they can do if they have to come out of retirement and live with their kids,assume their kid have a retail store,they could just sit by the cash register and said-hello,goodbye,thank you,someone will be with you shortly!!
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posted on October 26, 2003 07:20:24 AM new
home depot hires retirees who used to own a hardware store ,or spent many years in a specialty such as plumbing,wiring,lumber,home building etc.
those folks do well,they enjoy teaching the younger employees and getting out of the house.
albertson does the same thing as walmart,putting a lot of their workers as part time employees.
but you know,it is a cut throat business,if they all raise the wage and benefits of their workers,they will raise the price of their produce and what will the consumers do,they will buy less.
if we buy less,then they will need less workers,so??
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posted on October 26, 2003 08:26:25 AM new
TWELVE,
i am responding to a post which said there are retirees in their town looking for work.
true,not all unemployed workers are retirees.
you also have to look at where the legal unemployed workers are and where the jobs are??
there may be jobs in seattle or new york city,but how many of us can just sell our house ,uproot our family to go to a place where it is almost impossible to find affordable housing?
i dont know the situation now,but for many years,everyone knows,you can find a job in nyc but you cannot find a place to live.
how about san francisco and seattle or hawaii??
also you need some spending money to travel to where the jobs are ,if you find a place to live,there is first and last month rent,utility deposit and dont forget you dont get paid until 2 weeks later and you need money to get to work and buy grocery.
here ,we have 2 mexicans who come to apply for a one bedroom apt,once the lease is signed,17 more move in each carrying nothing more than a hefty garbage bag packed with their belonging.
how many americans would want to do that,live in a one bedroom with 18 others??
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posted on October 26, 2003 02:19:45 PM new
my point is ,and it is strictly my point,not uncle sam or congress or INS,that jobs are moving overseas,manufacturing operations are moving overseas,retirees find it hard to enjoy their golden years despite no/low inflation,american workers cannot find jobs,so we are looking for scapegoats and we find them in illegal immigrant workers.
there was this guy what 's his name McCARTHY??
yeah,he really rallied the troops to go after commies as if this country was crawling with commies.
give me a commie who wants to remain a commie after making a grand tour of Bloomingdale!!
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posted on October 26, 2003 03:47:13 PM new"How many americans 'aspire' to be cleaning mules for walmart?"
I'm sure not many; but sometimes you do what you have to do when bills have to be paid and families have to be fed.
How many Americans actually aspire to be eBay sellers?
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posted on October 26, 2003 03:59:58 PM new
WELL,if they do not get to be walmart greeters,then the next offer would be cleaning walmart toilets.
ebay sellers have big dreams,thats how we all get into it.
besides we save a lot of money on pantyhose and lip gloss.
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posted on October 27, 2003 10:08:28 AM new
What WalMart did is what thousands of companies are doing throughout the entire USA. Like sellng bongs on the internet, it's illegal but the government looks the other way except for a few high profile cases like Tommy Chong and WalMart.
I'd like to see WalMart get nailed and all the others too as they pay a wage that is far too low for a hardworking worker. If the illegal workers that take the drudgery jobs at dirt wages were removed from the equation then maybe supply and demand would raise those wages a bit. The extra it costs can be passed onto the consumers in hikes on prices.
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posted on October 27, 2003 10:52:09 AM new
Whether they displace citizen workers or not, the situation does lower wages through unfair and illegal competition.
