Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 08:07:08 AM new
Good Questions....
"Surprising Roadblocks for the U.S. in Iraq"
As the situation in Iraq slowly but surely evolves, several critical questions should be asked: Why is the United States in such need of foreign military assistance? Is the need and its subsequent publicity designed for domestic political consumption? Is it a goodwill gesture towards the international community, affording many originally skeptical countries the chance to now become involved? Or is there a legitimate need to reinforce U.S. forces now dealing with a longer than expected deployment and low troop morale? Is massive monetary expenditure what Iraq needs to become peaceful, stable, or democratic? At what point does the amount of money invested become moot when the fundamental problems aren't ones of a financial nature but ones of cultural and religious divides, historical legacies, and social discontent?
The Power and Interest News Report (PINR) is a global organization that provides analyses of conflicts and other international events. We are currently independently funded giving us the freedom to analyze objectively. PINR seeks to provide insight into various conflicts, regions and points of interest around the globe. We approach a subject based upon the powers and interests involved, leaving the moral judgments to the reader. PINR seeks to inform rather than persuade.
[ edited by Helenjw on Nov 17, 2003 08:10 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 08:19:10 AM new
More PINR reports on the Middle East may be found here.
Helen
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 17, 2003 09:18:22 AM new
As soon as I read the part about "inform rather then persuade" tells me it is going to be a liberal rag...
All information is there to "persuade" some type of thought... in this case more President Bush bashing.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 17, 2003 09:19:31 AM new
We should of just leveled every city and verified Saddam's death.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 10:35:20 AM new
"As soon as I read the part about "inform rather then persuade" tells me it is going to be a liberal rag..".
Surely you don't base your opinion of this news source based on those four words without reading the article. Surely you don't intend to tell everyone that this is a liberal news rag based on nothing more than that.
Actually, its an exceedingly fair and moderate view of what's happening all over the world. Read it and tell me what's liberal about it and why you have chosen to label it a rag. Is everyone who is critical of Bush policy a liberal in your opinion? BTW...that would include most Americans.
You and all the other Bush supporters need to experience a little TRUTH for a change.
Helen
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 17, 2003 12:06:01 PM new
What "truth"
The "truth" that President Bush is the ONLY world leader to do what needed to be done?
He represents the US, so to allow "Bush Bashing from non US Residents/Citizens is the same as bashing the US.
That trying to affect change in a country that never has enjoyed the freedoms they enjoy today is going to take longer than 6 months...
Those are some the truths I understand.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 01:08:49 PM new
So now, you've attempted to duck the question about the news source by diversion to the issue of "bush Bashing from non US Residents/Citizens"-- a topic on another thread. I suppose that you are addressing that to austbounty again? From my viewpoint, I don't understand how you can critique France or any other country while expecting no one from another country to criticize Bush who is endangering the entire world.
I agree that bringing freedom to Iraq, an occupied country, is going to take longer than 6 months. In fact, it may never happen. You say that Bush is the only leader to do what needed to be done. So far, he's done nothing constructive.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 17, 2003 02:10:23 PM new
"The "truth" that President Bush is the ONLY world leader to do what needed to be done?"
What do you mean? What needed to be done, Twelve?
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 17, 2003 04:01:29 PM new
Helen,
That place has left leanings and I have no intention of reading it...
That good enough for ya...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 17, 2003 04:03:38 PM new
Invade dear Invade...
UN that inept organization needs to move to Canada... you got space up there for them...
We need out of the UN quick.
President Bush's group will have more protection than will ever be posted in some paper.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 04:43:26 PM new
Not good 'nuf Twelvepole.
Without reading it, you'll never know. You are just ASSuming that since I posted it, it must be left. LOL!
I understand, but you are wrong.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 17, 2003 04:50:46 PM new
Twelve, do you know how many times the reason for "invading" Iraq has changed?
"At what point does the amount of money invested become moot when the fundamental problems aren't ones of a financial nature but ones of cultural and religious divides, historical legacies, and social discontent?"
This is a question everyone is asking. Why is it so difficult to discuss?
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Linda_K
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posted on November 17, 2003 04:53:42 PM new
twelve - Haven't you figured out yet that everyone EXCEPT helen is always wrong? 
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"It's a good thing the current crop of Democratic candidates weren't running for president in 1944.
Instead of defeating Hitler and Tojo, we might have ended up with an 'exit strategy' that saved American lives in the short run but cost us our freedom and way of life. Indeed, the Democrats' disgraceful performances to date suggest that most of the candidates would like to cut and run from Iraq, no matter what the consequences.
Unfortunately, they've managed to convince a majority of their fellow party members that this is the right thing to do. ... What we need is not an 'exit strategy' but a commitment to win this war, no matter what sacrifice it takes.
The Democrats are doing all that they can to undermine that commitment, and the polls suggest they are succeeding in persuading a growing number of Americans the war is not worth winning. It's a dangerous game -- one in which all of us could end up the losers." --Linda Chavez
[Taken from The Federalist - today]
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Linda_K
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:01:57 PM new
Another from The Federalist - today.
"The troops returning home are worried. 'We've lost the peace,' men tell you. 'We can't make it stick.' ... Friend and foe alike, look you accusingly in the face and tell you how bitterly they are disappointed in you as an American. ... Never has American prestige in Europe been lower.... Instead of coming in with a bold plan of relief and reconstruction we came in full of evasions and apologies.... A great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease.
The taste of victory had gone sour in the mouth of every thoughtful American I met." --Life Magazine, January 7, 1946
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Same ol' same ol'......
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davebraun
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:07:27 PM new
In 1944 the Republican's were aiding and abetting Hitler and his thugs.
Prominent Republican's were openly selling supplies and munitions to the Nazi war machine setting a standard now followed by their heirs in the guise of Haliburton.
And yes fortunately a Democrat won the election or we might be sieg heiling today although it seems some are.
Comment on The Frederalist a right wing propaganda rag better suited to be used as TP!
Friends don't let friends vote Republican!
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:09:21 PM new
I'm never wrong either, Linda!
It all boils down to trust. The U.S. doesn't trust the Iraqi people to come up with a democracy on their own. Because of that, the Iraqi's don't trust the U.S. I don't see how that can be changed, short term.
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Linda_K
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:14:39 PM new
and you don't care either, helen, as long as we run out with our tail between our legs....
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Enraged over their loss of political power, Gore and some of his fellow Democrats have assumed the role not of supporters of their own country as it prosecutes a war, or even of impartial judges, but of Saddam's defense attorneys--not just skeptical of the charges against and suspicions about the erstwhile dictator, but outright advocates of the proposition that he is innocent.
[From the WSJ]
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Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:22:19 PM new
"and you don't care either, helen, as long as we run out with our tail between our legs...."
As I have stated many times, lindak, I believe that we should leave as soon as possible but not irresponsibly.
What on earth do you mean by your statement that I don't care? I, unlike you, care about our troops. I care about our country and about our world.
Helen
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NearTheSea
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:27:29 PM new
of course you do helen
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NearTheSea
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:28:29 PM new
i was being serious up there, I'm sure you do care. Your an American
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austbounty
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:29:07 PM new
Forget Truth, Forget Liberty, Forget Justice, and Forget Right Or Wrong.
Just let Linda retain her dignity; stay in Iraq;
Send More Troops Now!
http://www.iraqometer.com/
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NearTheSea
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:30:04 PM new
I am under the impression you are anyway
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Helenjw
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:30:09 PM new
"of course you do helen"
Please use complete sentences.
 Do what? nearthesea?
Helen
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NearTheSea
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posted on November 17, 2003 05:32:11 PM new
oh, I was serious, I do think you care
pain killers are kicking in, and SOON!!! I get to go away for awhile!
So I thought I'd drop in and see whats not new here
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 18, 2003 05:38:12 AM new
This is a question everyone is asking. Why is it so difficult to discuss?
When you live in the US and are a citizen, let me know...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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aposter
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posted on November 18, 2003 07:01:21 AM new
Twelvepole said: "Helen, That place has left leanings and I have no intention of reading it... That good enough for ya..."
So you try to influence anyone just stopping by the Round Table by saying: "As soon as I read the part about "inform rather then persuade" tells me it is going to be a liberal rag..." and then admit you have not bothered reading the article?
Do you always make commnents like that without reading the linked paper?
Are you hoping non-thinkers will just take your word for it?
Thank you for posting the article Helen. I will read it later when I have time.
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 18, 2003 07:20:31 AM new
I'm sorry aposter... you must have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think...
That's my opinion, just like you expressed yours...
Liberals seem to expound on everything negative... never mind the positive.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on November 18, 2003 08:09:05 AM new
Aposter, There are posters here --- now the majority, in fact, who are so far to the right that they actually believe that the New York Times, The Washington Post and MSNBC and CNN are liberal news sources. Only Fox news, Newsmax and occasionally the Wall St. Journal are acceptable to them. Of course, they consider anything published outside the U.S. possibly infamous and highly suspicious.
Helen
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Linda_K
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posted on November 18, 2003 09:04:34 AM new
I especially like it when helen posts links to articles that originated from the Moscow Times.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 18, 2003 09:36:04 AM new
Linda, That is ANOTHER LIE.
You falsely accused me of linking to an article in the Moscow Times when in fact I purchased the article from LATIMES which had been archieved.
That can be read in this thread...http://www.vendio.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=165779&id=165832
Remember? When you jumped to that conclusion and even suggested that I was a COMMUNIST based on your lying accusation that I had linked the article from MOSCOW???
I HAVE NEVER LINKED TO THE MOSCOW TIMES AND AS USUAL, YOU CAN'T BACK YOUR STATEMENT UP WITH A SINGLE FACT.
Helen
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